espressoDOM Senior Member Joined: 1 May 2003 Posts: 2,189 Location: Bay Area Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Wed Jun 11, 2003, 9:33am Subject: espressoDOM speaks
and nobody listens...sorry....(inside joke)
That was an awesome article for a newbie trying to become an intermediate. I only have so much time to devote to my newfound hobby but I dream of the day that I can pull shots like you talk about. I need it to become like clockwork so I can do it at 4:30 am on the way to work.... This was single handedly the most beneficial article I have read on the geek since I bought my Silvia from suggestions on here... Thankx
cheapdialogue Senior Member Joined: 25 Mar 2002 Posts: 156 Location: Bellingham, WA Expertise: Professional
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Posted Wed Jun 11, 2003, 11:51am Subject: Re: Meet the New Drink: The Traditional Double by Mark Prince
It's maddening when something so simple, common and necessary can be so difficult to consistently produce. It is neat to read about your re-falling in love with the double.
Posted Wed Jun 11, 2003, 12:22pm Subject: Re: Meet the New Drink: The Traditional Double by Mark Prince
I especially appreciate the photos. Now I have perspective of what I'm doing in relation to a benchmark. I take it these were 100% full caffiene type, no decaf right? Thank!
plragde Senior Member Joined: 1 Jan 1970 Posts: 93 Location: Waterloo, Ontario Expertise: Intermediate
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Posted Wed Jun 11, 2003, 8:20pm Subject: Re: Meet the New Drink: The Traditional Double by Mark Prince
Hey, stop moving the bar constantly, willya? If I want to validate my cojones by this new measure, can I use the hitherto-unused single basket for a single pull on my lever machine?
mmorkel Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 1 Location: Berlin Expertise: Just starting
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Posted Wed Jun 11, 2003, 11:53pm Subject: You are close...
...to another steep challenge: The Classic Single!
Markus
(I´m not kidding: It is probably for a reason that Baristas in Italy mainly concentrate on the single: it is a healthy dose, and can be heaven when prepared correctly.)
jroche Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 22 Location: Brooklyn, New York Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Jun 12, 2003, 7:11am Subject: blond not as fun
mark, very good description of the problems w/ doubles. i'm begining to think that tiger stripes are the best indicator of a well pulled shot. Blond being the tale of a not so great shot.
Just as an aside i found it curious when you refer to 28 seconds on your ristretto, then 25 secs on the double. how did/do you arrive at this time frame? mostly i judge my pulls by eye, stopping somewhere between say 24 and 28 secs on average.
I also find i get a lot less of the deeper redish color then i would like and i've so far attributed this to the belnds i've used rather than some fault w/ the pull and/or machine. but maybe i'm wrong.
MarkPrince Moderator Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 4,622 Location: Vancouver Expertise: Professional
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Posted Sat Jun 14, 2003, 12:43pm Subject: Blonds and 28 seconds
Hey John.
My 25 second / traditional double, 28 second / double ristretto timing is partially based on alt.coffee's Al Critzer's theory and discussion on how ristrettos should take longer to pull than normals... this goes back a few years, but there are several very long and informative threads on the subject. I believe Al mentioned that a 1 oz ristretto from a double basket should take over 30 seconds... I found that 28 was my "sweet spot" with most blends.
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