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Posted Wed Feb 18, 2004, 2:41pm
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Amidst the groans of “will this topic never end”, I revive this thread only to let those of you interested
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While I’m sure this is not in any way a coffee related topic it may be of interest to those of you who have
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Posted Wed May 19, 2004, 1:42pm
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MarkPrince Said:

illy "Gets It" again - thicker espresso cups
by Mark Prince

Mark Prince is a serious illy art cup collector - up to 50 sets at last count, and recognized by the New York Times (and illy) as one of the prominent collectors in North America. He takes a look at some changes afoot in the illy cup world.

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Mark, I also am a collector of Illy cups. I lost count of number of sets some time ago. :) I have also ventured off into some of the old logo styles and prototypes. Needless to say, while an expensive hobby, the cups make for great conversation.

My kitchen is stocked with ALL Illy logo cups, espresso, cappucino and mugs. While the thickness is excellent (run them under hot water prior to use).... I would argue those that opt for the La Marzocco cup, you CAN NOT discount the esthetic design of the Mateo Thun designed cup of Illy. To hold an Illy cup is to hold art in your hands. It is by far one of the most pleasingly designed objects on the planet. It's shape, the handle and it's pedastel like presence on the saucer is pure poetry.

The cup is PERFECT.

Thanks for the great review.

John

PS: I won a photo contest with this image... the contest required theme was "Black on Black."

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Posted Wed May 19, 2004, 2:22pm
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Hey John,
Very nice picture.  Which cup is that?  (My guess is that it's from the "Non" series).

Best,
Dalton

By the way, you can see pictures of some of the cups in my small but growing collection at my website: daltonrooney.com

 
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Posted Wed May 19, 2004, 5:35pm
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dalton Said:

Hey John,
Very nice picture.  Which cup is that?  (My guess is that it's from the "Non" series).

Best,
Dalton

By the way, you can see pictures of some of the cups in my small but growing collection at my website: daltonrooney.com

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Ah... you would be correct! :)

I notice you have the Dreams and Conflicts cup... is that the single cup or did you stumble across some bar sets. I was able to get both cap and espresso bar sets. They're very cool.

I just recently acquired a Fellini "Fred & Ginger" single collection cup.

Great stuff.
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Posted Wed May 19, 2004, 6:00pm
Subject: Re: illy "Gets It" again - thicker espresso cups by Mark Prince
 

RE:  Dreams and Confilcts - I had planned on getting the single art cup at some point, but never did.  It isn't reproduced quite exactly in the bar cup series.   I'll probably scan eBay and pick one up one of these days, albeit at an inflated price.

The one on my site is one of the bar cups.  I have 12 of them - two complete sets plus a few singles.  I recently found them on sale at Goodmans.net, if you're looking for more.

Congrats on the Fellini cup - I suppose that's probably the holy grail among Illy collectors.  I don't plan on owning one for quite a while! : )

Next up for me is the Pietrobelli "Zebra" set, if I can find an affordable price.  

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Posted Wed May 19, 2004, 6:48pm
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dalton Said:

RE:  Dreams and Confilcts - I had planned on getting the single art cup at some point, but never did.  It isn't reproduced quite exactly in the bar cup series.   I'll probably scan eBay and pick one up one of these days, albeit at an inflated price.

The one on my site is one of the bar cups.  I have 12 of them - two complete sets plus a few singles.  I recently found them on sale at Goodmans.net, if you're looking for more.

Congrats on the Fellini cup - I suppose that's probably the holy grail among Illy collectors.  I don't plan on owning one for quite a while! : )

Next up for me is the Pietrobelli "Zebra" set, if I can find an affordable price.  

Best,
Dalton

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I might be able to help you on the Zebra.... I think I have an extra set.  I'll take a look and get back to you.

Thanks for the Goodmans tip.

John
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Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004, 2:57pm
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Mark,

I took your theory to the test, as I was curious myself: Do thicker espresso cups retain heat better.  Bottom line, it is all a myth, to my own amazement.  I suggest that you do side by side measurements of a thin and a thick cup as I did and figure it out.  Here is the test I conducted:

Test parameters:

Cup size 2oz
Starting cup wall temp - room temp.
Fill cup 2oz with water @ 206 degrees f and let it warm up for 1 minutes
empty cup
fill it again with 206 degrees f to the 1.5 oz mark (double ristretto)
Measure water temp in the cup after 30 seconds and 60 seconds

I used 2 different cups side by side: Both are porcelain. Only difference, one has a 2 mm thick wall, the other, close to 5 mm thick. (the thin was a Illy cup and the thick was an Electra)

Results:

Thin cup after 30 seconds, temp dropped to 189 degrees
Thick cup after 30 second , temp dropped to 189 degrees
Thin cup after 1 minute - temp drop to 182 degrees
Thick cup after 1 minute, temp drop to 182

Bottom line, in practical matters for a double ristretto, there is no difference as far as heat retention between a thick and a thin cup.  

My thermometer has a standard deviation of +-1 degree f, and I repeated the test five times.  The results above are the average reading.

I am sure that in lab test conditions one will find some difference between the two, but in real life, those differences have practically no impact.  

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Posted Mon Nov 15, 2004, 3:09pm
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How about this:  Illy cups are more comfortable to drink out of.  It's true.  No opinions, it's a pure fact.  If you debate it, you're anti-american.
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