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Posted Sun Sep 2, 2007, 8:01pm
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Just an update for the US/Canada side of the battle, going down only hours from now.

Actually, here's an update on the first round Participants

Vince Piccolo: Barista
Colter Jones, CNBC Champ, Taster
Barrett Jones, CNBC 2nd Place, Taster
Mark Prince, Taster
Aaron Smythe, (Barista), Taster

All shots were pulled double blind - Vince got numbered bags, tasters did not know the coffees. Barista was allowed to tune the coffee and shots any way he wanted before finally pulling two doubles and serving.

For the US / Canada Round:

Sammy Piccolo, 3 time CNBC Champ, 3 time top three WBC finalist, Barista (Vince felt he shouldn't work his own coffee, even if double blind)
Colter Jones, CNBC Champ, Taster
Barrett Jones, Taster
Andrea Piccolo, Swiss Water QC, Taster
Mark Prince, Taster
Peter van de Reep, Barista, Optional Taster
Les Kwon, Optional Taster

Should be fun. Pics, deets, everything to follow in the testing. I'm seriously thinking about giving the Italian coffees a 10% "bonus" to counteract any age issues. It's really an unfair battle as far as I'm concerned, because of the age of the coffees.

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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 2:19am
Subject: Re: Peet's, Baskets & Italian vs. N. American Blends by Mark Prince
 

Isn't this kind of an unfair match? Why not test against the best Italian roasters?

MY personal favorit is the Harem blend from passalacqua.


I'm on page with Gregory Fierro who in 2002 wrote:

gregorio Said:

... I'd hate to say it this way, but a lot of the brands available nationally in Italy tend to be like our national brands, kind of mediocre.

Posted October 21, 2002 link

gregorio Said:

It sounds like I own stock in the company or something, but S.Passalacqua faithfully represents the last thread of an old school devotion to doing things right.  For me, and for the people of Naples, it is as important to the landscape as pizza, music and romance.

Posted October 21, 2002 link

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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 4:06am
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JacobS Said:

Isn't this kind of an unfair match? Why not test against the best Italian roasters?

MY personal favorit is the Harem blend from passalacqua.

Posted September 3, 2007 link

IMO, it's not a fair match. But we're countering the article on Coffee Review, which tested US Available Italian blends vs a few US-based coffee blends.

In my case, I didn't just want to go to the store and pick four or five unknown (to me) Italian-roasted and blended coffee, so I did some research before selecting which ones to try. Pellini was a top favourite of a few Italian friends who know coffee and espresso, and also the recommendations of a large Vancouver importer. Segefredo is the #1 roaster in N. Italy, huge, probably bigger than Starbucks. And there's Illy in the mix.

Still, I'm considering giving a concession bonus to the Italian blends, based on age of coffee. Then again, I'm not... all of these coffees feature "best by" dates months in the future. If they think their coffee is good right up until those days, perhaps they don't need a 5 or 10% points bonus in the testing.

What do others think?

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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 7:27am
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He he, who said it had to be a fair match - but we could hope for a fair conclusion.

The thing I find unfair is comparison of mass-produced products against specialty products.

If your Italian coffee is as fresh as it gets in states then there shouldn't be an age-bonus IMHO. When I'm comparing the local roasters to Passalacqua the age is counted in days for the local stuff and in weeks for the Italian stuff, because that's what I have to chose from.
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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 8:12am
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i agree with the above conclusions from mods and garyh: this should be about competition b/w what's available in the north american marketplace -- so no point adjustment.  i think the most applicable comparison is one off the shelf: "is that vac-sealed can of italian import better than my fresh roasted third wave shop?"

after all, if the question was about absolutes, we already have a competition for that...and an american roaster won "best espresso" honors this year in that head to head.  i would think in terms of the absolute scale, our best would be comparable to their best (finally...50 years later); however, that bean said, i think all cg'ers would admit there is still a much higher percentage of quality coffee per the local market place, in italy vs. north america.

but i think the real question -- and the one you were shocked to see the results of in ken davids' review, mark -- is imported italian better than fresh north american?

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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 10:37am
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article excerpt,

MarkPrince Said:

...but I think Ken should stay away from any critical discussion about espresso and the evaluation of the beverage.

Posted September 2, 2007 link



I have no clue regarding how Ken's espressos are prepared. But still, should deaf people stay away from composing music? Come on, encourage!
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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 8:24pm
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SL28ave Said:

article excerpt,



I have no clue regarding how Ken's espressos are prepared. But still, should deaf people stay away from composing music? Come on, encourage!

Posted September 3, 2007 link

Rumored as...  7g singles all pulled at 200F and 1oz

 
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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 8:49pm
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Wow, Ken got served in that article.

I think the competition needs a much larger sample size. Throw some random home roasters in there. But in the end, isnt it all just preference?
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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 9:43pm
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coffeeDirtDog Said:

Rumored as...  7g singles all pulled at 200F and 1oz

Posted September 3, 2007 link

I could possibly live with a coffee I roasted being reviewed at those parameters. Never seriously used a single basket, though, so I'm unsure about that. 200F wouldn't be totally optimal.
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Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007, 9:43pm
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brownbeans Said:

But in the end, isnt it all just preference?

Posted September 3, 2007 link

In a way. It's a single opinion.
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