lemiguess Senior Member Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 2 Location: milwaukee wisconsin Expertise: Just starting
Posted Tue Oct 19, 2004, 8:10pm Subject: Re: Cold Coffee Friendships, The Cafe Stage
That was awesome Chris. this ranks right up there with the song you wrote. "Oh coffee pot oh coffe pot..." But "trapped in a spanish teacher's body"? trapped? maybe now that i'm not in your class anymore. If I had a nickel for every time you've talked about coffee in class... Anyway, I still think that the "peruvian" coffee with the condensed milk is the best i've ever had. or maybe it was just the company i was in. Gosh I miss being there with all of you, and i miss my film and shaver too. Anything seems to be comparable in some way to coffee. life is like a cup of coffee. I really liked the article, I guess that self-proclaimed philosopher description isn't too far misplaced. I can't wait for second semester. you know, class is like a cup of coffee.
tom_b Senior Member Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 537 Location: Maui, Hawaii
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Posted Wed Oct 20, 2004, 9:21pm Subject: Re: Cold Coffee Friendships, The Cafe Stage
A spectacular article. I went into a slow trance reading it, it almost seems sedated compared to every other word at this site :). Reminds me of vipassana meditation philosophy, sensations arise and then fall away, and the sense that something new will always be found in the cup of life is a nice reminder. It is a good muscle to build, the 'letting go' muscle; here it's 'wait to find new tastes', but applying the analogy to people was sweet. tom:)
chrispy85 Senior Member Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 10 Location: Dayton OH Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004, 7:02am Subject: Re: Cold Coffee Friendships, The Cafe Stage
aww...shucks. you guys are making me blush.
seriously, though -- is there any scientific, measurable reason for the drastic change in the flavor of a coffee as it cools down? is it only our perception? does the heat actually "get in the way" of some flavor nuance? or is it all about balance and context?
there has to be someone out there who's done an experiment on this...
Yann Senior Member Joined: 1 Dec 2002 Posts: 230 Location: Wellington (New Zealand) Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Thu Oct 21, 2004, 4:27pm Subject: Re: Cold Coffee Friendships, The Cafe Stage
Ditto, Kudos for the article :)
For me, I can't actually drink the coffee (latte etcs) straight after I make it. I have to let it sit for a bit for it to cool. Sometimes I cut the frothing short before the temp gets anywhere near the 150 F mark.
EricZeiler Senior Member Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 51 Location: Los Angeles, CA Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Fri Oct 22, 2004, 8:08am Subject: Re: Cold Coffee Friendships, The Cafe Stage
I always assumed that extreme temperatures mask flavor. As a pretty avid beer drinker, I always try to let a beer warm to "cellar" temperature before drinking (if it comes out of the fridge or a cold tap). As the beer warms, the flavor changes incredibly, and I believe the same is true for coffee (with an inverse temperature change, of course). The phenomena explains crap beer companies insistence that their beer be served "ice cold", and in those ridiculous frozen glasses. Don't even get me started on Coors new campaign that their beer is "cold pasteurized" and even transported in refrigerated trucks. It's all BS. -Eric
Posted Sat Oct 23, 2004, 1:02am Subject: Re: Cold Coffee Friendships, The Cafe Stage
It's interesting - I read this article today after I decided to prepare my coffee this morning with a filter cone as opposed to espresso. I roasted a batch of coffee the other day and it just wasn't doing it for me as an espresso, so I thought I would try an alternative method. I don't own a press pot (yet) and I prefer to drink a fresh cup of coffee each time, so the filter cone it was. And damn if it wasn't good. I've tended to focus on espresso so much lately that I have forgotten how good a simple cup of coffee can be. Not to mention how much easier it is to prepare - grind coffee, place in filter, pour hot water through it, wait a minute or so and enjoy. No worrying about the perfect grind, the perfect tamp and whether or not it is even. No worrying about PF and grouphead temperature and making sure that they are absolutely dry and free of residual coffee grinds (my co-workers think I'm neurotic as I go through this ritual - which, of course, I am). I think it took me a fraction of the time to prepare a "simple" cup of coffee this morning. I like how the author spoke about his first coffee drinking experience with his grandmother's Folger's because it is similar to my first exposure to coffee. I remember when my family and I used to go to my grandmother's house, one of the first things I would do was head straight to the kitchen. She would always leave half of her cup of coffee on the kitchen table and I would sneak in and drink it ( I also tried sneaking a puff of my uncle's cigarette, once - with a drastically different outcome...). I'm almost certain that it was instant coffee and was always sweetened with sugar. Damn it was good! Funny thing is, it was always cold and I still liked it. And here I am, 25 to 30 years later, on the internet, reading about someone else's experiences and passion for coffee and, in turn, relating mine as well. It makes me wonder; whether they like it or not, how many other coffee enthusiasts had their first experience with their grandparents' black swill?
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