MarkPrince Moderator Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 4,668 Location: Vancouver Expertise: Professional
Espresso: Frankenstein'ed LM Linea Grinder: Anfim Super Caimano Vac Pot: 1922 Silex Drip: Krups Moka Brew Roaster: Hottop
Posted Thu May 8, 2003, 2:53pm Subject: Rancilio Class12
I don't think I'll be doing a Rancilio Class 12 review anytime soon... first, it's a 240V system which I can't test easily; but second, it's a true pro machine. I won't review a La Marzocco Linea, or a Cimbali commercial machine for one important reason: I cant do them justice ... you'd have to evaluate these machines in a high volume cafe for a month or more, and I simply cannot do that. The Class 12 would be the same way.
gauperaa Senior Member Joined: 22 Dec 2001 Posts: 326 Location: Oslo, Norway Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Euro2000 Junior, Rancilio... Grinder: Mazzer Mini, Rancilio Rocky,... Vac Pot: Mini eSantos Drip: OBH Nordica King of Coffee Roaster: Imex-CR100, Princess popper,...
Posted Fri May 9, 2003, 2:45am Subject: I understand
I understand your point. It is hard and maybe even wrong to review a commerical machine in a home enviroment. Still, I hope you'll get to taste some coffee from the C12. It is pretty good according to alexander von der lippe.
jim_schulman Senior Member Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 3,772 Location: Chicago Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Fri May 9, 2003, 4:46pm Subject: Comparing Superautos
It may be worth setting the standard for home superautos by their professional cousins, rather than regular machines.
I have a feeling commercial superautos are improving rapidly, since the shots I got from them at the SCAA were quite acceptable (about the same standad I get from my SL70 at home); whereas a few years ago, they were swill.
Buyers of home superautos should be benefitting from these improvements.
MarkPrince Moderator Joined: 19 Dec 2001 Posts: 4,668 Location: Vancouver Expertise: Professional
Espresso: Frankenstein'ed LM Linea Grinder: Anfim Super Caimano Vac Pot: 1922 Silex Drip: Krups Moka Brew Roaster: Hottop
Posted Sun May 11, 2003, 12:19am Subject: Suggestions
Jim, that's actually a very good idea.
Joe Monaghan offered to lend me a Franke super auto and wanted my private thoughts on it (and maybe a Detailed Review). I didn't turn him down, per se, but we let it slide. Maybe I should get in some time on the Frankes (I'm going down to Seattle in a few weeks for a day) and take some notes... and maybe take a Franke Saphira back with me.
Telemark: The S9 first look is half written (notes on four pages of legal paper), but it's at least five machines away from being published. I got a backlog of machines to plow through.
I can say that the shot quality is better on the S9 (compared to the F9, temperature being the main culprit), and the steaming functionality on the S9 is actually amazing. It's got two heating systems (stainless steel thermoblocks), but the S9 produces much more powerful steam than the F9, AND... it's "always on" (but it does have a sleep mode to conserve energy). Also, it comes with two steaming systems, including a fully automated system (one button press, tunable froth levels), that, tied in with a micro fridge, can give you on demand milk froth with literally one push of a button. It can be programmed to "dose" out specific volumes of froth. Pretty sweet. 1st in Coffee arranged for us to get both the F9 and S9.
Super Autos go high tech with the Jura Capresso F9. Touch screen technology, Internet connectivity... and it brews a good shot? Find out in our first look.
casparis Senior Member Joined: 1 Jan 2005 Posts: 1 Location: michigan Expertise: Just starting
Espresso: CapressoF9 (On order) Grinder: Blade type Drip: Yes(Hopefully not for long)
Posted Sun Jan 2, 2005, 3:11pm Subject: Re: Jura Capresso F9 First Look
Thank you for the first look at the F9.I have just ordered this unit and was concerned about the investment .I wanted the S9 but it's hard enough to justify the F series plus I like the look of it better than the S series.I am by no means able to judge of a good shot so I figured this is a good place to start.I want to also purchase a semi automatic and tinker to have a comparison with my new superauto.I hope to go with the isomac zaffiro you did a detailed report on,The shots you describe seem incrediable.I was at Starbucks today and just relized they use a type of Automatic and the double shot was very bitter.I am not sure how long it will take me to achieve sucess with a semi auto but with the F9 as a consistant starting point to judge my shots it should be an enjoyable process.The articles and tips are so informative keep up the good work.I am looking forward to the detailed report on the F9 for more tips and ideas.
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