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Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007, 8:34am
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I am wondering if the Quickmill Alexia  and the Zaffirio are the same machine, with the Alexia being the new "modern" version.  I bought an Alexia a couple of months ago and the looks and features seem exactly the same, with the Alexia having a few minor upgrades from Chris' Coffee.  Anybody know?

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Posted Mon Apr 30, 2007, 12:42pm
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Like most E61-based prosumer machines, they share a lot of the same components, but no, one is made by Isomac and another by Quickmill.

-- Dan

 
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Posted Sat May 26, 2007, 4:56am
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the alexia is a straight clone of the zaffiro, only built with better quality.  BUT be wary of loose or disconnected boiler push-on connectors.
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Posted Sat May 26, 2007, 6:30am
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jamesw Said:

the alexia is a straight clone of the zaffiro, only built with better quality.  BUT be wary of loose or disconnected boiler push-on connectors.

Posted May 26, 2007 link

In what way is the Alexia "better quality?" I thought it just had a few improved features, which is reason enough to buy it (and which make it not-quite-a-clone).

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Posted Sat May 26, 2007, 8:59am
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jamesw Said:

the alexia is a straight clone of the zaffiro, only built with better quality.  BUT be wary of loose or disconnected boiler push-on connectors.

Posted May 26, 2007 link

No problem with the connectors (yet?).  They seem sturdy though.

So, James and Marshall think its the same machine but Dan thinks they're (Zaffirio and Alexia) different. 2 to 1.  Anybody else want to weigh in?

The reason I am curious is that I would like to post a consumer review about the Alexia but so far my attempts to have it added to the database have failed.  If they are the same or similar enough machines, I will leave a review for the Alexia on the Zaffirio page.

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Posted Sat May 26, 2007, 11:19am
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b177y Said:

So, James and Marshall think its the same machine....

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Not quite. They are nearly identical designs built mostly with the same or very similar parts. I only questioned James' description of the Alexia as "better quality."

Chris got Quick Mill to design some improvements into their machine that make a stock Alexia a better machine than a stock Zaffiro. But, "better quality" implies better workmanship or sturdier components, which I do not believe is the case.

By the way, I'm not being a defensive Zaffiro owner. A friend recently asked me for an "espresso-only" recommendation, and I pointed him to the Alexia.
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Posted Thu May 31, 2007, 4:28am
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b177y Said:

I would like to post a consumer review about the Alexia but so far my attempts to have it added to the database have failed.  
Bill

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Hi Bill,
I do not quite understand. Does that mean that you have a review for the Alexia but it is not possible to post it? Why would that be?
I would certainly like to read it!
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Posted Thu May 31, 2007, 11:55am
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piuforte Said:

Hi Bill,
I do not quite understand. Does that mean that you have a review for the Alexia but it is not possible to post it? Why would that be?
I would certainly like to read it!
Arthur

Posted May 31, 2007 link

There are only options for the Quickmill Vetrano, Anita and Andreja.  No place for an Alexia review yet.  I have put in the product request twice over the past 6 months with no luck.

Bill
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Posted Wed Aug 15, 2007, 12:50pm
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Hi,

About the heating up time for steaming:

Is it a good option to froth milk first, cool down by running water through and then pull the espresso?

I seriously consider bying this machine and work this way with my Saeco Aroma at this moment.
If this doesn't work with the Zaffiro I must reconsider...

I don't mind to have the frothed milk stayed for some time. A good swirl from time to time keeps it in an acceptable condition.
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Posted Wed Aug 15, 2007, 3:18pm
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HeyMrBassman Said:

Hi,

About the heating up time for steaming:

Is it a good option to froth milk first, cool down by running water through and then pull the espresso?

Posted August 15, 2007 link

No. It takes a looooong time to cool that big boiler down. If you run enormous amounts of water through the head to cool everything down, you will lose your temperature predictability and wind up refilling the tank every day or two.

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