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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2006, 10:09am
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ThanksALatte, can you give your experience with Ambex for us? Pretend you're a salesman, sell us one! I'd like to hear.
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2006, 11:36am
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Well, unless Terry at Ambex is going to pony up some commission, I'll stick to a soft sell :)

The Ambex is what I learned on and what I own so I'm most comfortable with it.  I really believe you can't go wrong with any of the major roaster manufacturers so I'm not going to say "Buy an Ambex and not a Diedrich, Probat, etc".  Part of the decision making process (at least for me) is how comfortable you feel about going into business with a certain company.  I say "going into business with" because simply buying a roaster is only the first step.  You will require answers to tons of questions as you progress.  Should you ever need to move up to a larger roaster, it's likely that you would purchase from the same company provided you've been happy with the experience.  Both Ambex and Diedrich rated high on the comfort level for me.

Ambex was less expensive and put on a good information and training session (have heard good reviews of Diedrich's sessions as well).  One minor factor for me was that Ambex is in the same timezone as I am.  I figured if the crap hit the fan and I needed a part or a quick mechanical walkthrough, at least their hours of operation would be similar to mine (hey, I did say it was a minor point).  They also gave me a baseball hat :)

Terry, Kathy and Paul at Ambex seem to be involved in just about every facet of the coffee industry and that gives me comfort as well.

A point about the digital controls.  Those are all options at Ambex that can be ordered with the roaster or added on later.  Don't get the impression that an Ambex is digitally controlled and the roaster (person) is simply a button pusher.  Their Roast Illuminator, Profile DCQ and Profile Plus DCQ should be thought of as tools rather than automation.  I cannot give reviews on these products as I opted to not go with any of them at this point although I am looking into adding the Roast Illuminator down the road and would likely go with the Profile DCQ on a larger roaster.

If you are looking to make a roaster purchase, make sure you have a long timeline.  You will not be able to pick up the phone and have a new roaster on your doorstep in a month.  Plan ahead.

Again, just to be clear....I'm not recommending Ambex over Diedrich or anyone else.  They were the right choice for me and I'm happy with my decision.
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2006, 12:07pm
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Psyd Said:

Now, even my girlfriend has noticed the similarities in the way that you and I think, and its starting to scare both of us just a tiny bit.  I was on my way to get new filters and such for the shop vac for just that kind of experiment, and she was the one that sugested that it'd make a huge mess.  Of course, so far, this is the winning method.  Any other contestants?

Posted February 22, 2006 link

Someone else posted this method before and it works pretty well. You put the beans into a plastic tuppleware container. Close the lid and shake the crap out of it. The shaking breakes up the chaff and the static charge that build up on the container wall sucks them off the beans. Scoop the beans up carefully and you have (almost) chaff free beans at minimum mess.

 
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2006, 6:07pm
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Psyd Said:

Hey, I'm getting some great coffee custom blended and roasted for me through an ex of a friend of a friend.  I'm paying for greens and shipping and getting a blend and roast designed around what I like in a coffee, so kvetching about some chaff that comes along with is kinda out of the questions.  The guy obviously knows what he's doing (the coffee is enormous) but the stuff comes with more chaff than I can ignore.  What's an easy and clean way to get the stuff to go away?

Posted February 22, 2006 link

Hello.  If you are roasting outdoors just get a fan and put one metal pot in front of the fan and pour your roasted beans down into the pot so that the stream of beans goes in front of the fans airflow.  Blows the chaff off beautifully.  Either that, or dump the beans from one pot into another pot in a good wind.

Costs nothing ...  and cleanups a breeze ...

(ouch)

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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2006, 10:38pm
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Psyd Said:

The guy obviously knows what he's doing

Posted February 22, 2006 link

#1. So tell the guy to get rid of the chaff.
#2  Unless there is WAY too much chaff, it shouldn't affect your cup.  Even for espresso.
#3  I use a metal mesh metal (16") that is sold primarily to cover food for outdoor eating (most come in a cloth "tent").  Got it at a kitchen supply online.  I dump my hot beans in it and toss them pretty high while making a quarter turn.  Beans land in the mesh.  Chaff drifts off. 3-4 tosses does the job.  IMO, shop vacs and cooling contraptions are major overkill, but you are not roasting anyway.  But you should.   #: o )
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2006, 10:47pm
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heatgunroast Said:

#2  Unless there is WAY too much chaff, it shouldn't affect your cup.  
Martin

Posted February 24, 2006 link

Disagree..... chaff, any chaff adds an undesireable taste.

Thats one i have been playing with lately. For a while i got lazy and dismissed a little but getting back to basic i have noticed a big difference if all chaff is removed. It not that hard.

Dan

 
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Posted Sat Feb 25, 2006, 4:46am
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Hey, what about a salad spinner? Never tried it, obviously, but wouldn't it force the chaff out through the slots and keep the beans in the main chamber?
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Posted Sat Feb 25, 2006, 7:46am
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heatgunroast Said:

IMO, shop vacs and cooling contraptions are major overkill, but you are not roasting anyway.  But you should.   #: o )
Martin

Posted February 24, 2006 link

It's not overkill if you're roasting 4lbs a batch. Try tossing that around without losing half in the grass. :-)
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Posted Sat Feb 25, 2006, 8:29am
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Shepherd Said:

Hey, what about a salad spinner? Never tried it, obviously, but wouldn't it force the chaff out through the slots and keep the beans in the main chamber?

Posted February 25, 2006 link

Hello.  I think it would be the other way around.  Due to centrifugal force, the heavier objects (the beans) would try to escape the spinner.  They likely would not due to the smaller slots.

However that does bring up an interesting question.  Would the chaff stay behind the beans toward the center of the spinner?  Or would static electricity just cause the chaff to stick to the beans themselves wherever they may be in the spinner?

Len
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Posted Sat Feb 25, 2006, 11:58am
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poison Said:

It's not overkill if you're roasting 4lbs a batch. Try tossing that around without losing half in the grass. :-)

Posted February 25, 2006 link

My response was specific to the original poster, whom I assumed was not getting 4lb batches of chaffy coffee.  Could be wrong on that.  Curious to know how often you roast, and if more than one batch every couple of weeks, where all the coffee goes.  Seems that there's a point at which "homeroasting" crosses over into coffee roast "production"  w/ permanent setup of drum, vac., etc.
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