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Posted Sat Feb 7, 2004, 11:30pm
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the "couple of bucks here or there" theory is all nice and good...
so you guys are telling me you buy 10 pounds every 5 weeks ! for all your coffee needs...
I doubt that highly, if you roast which you obviously do , you also know, as i found out REAl quick when i started roasting,,,
you always need extra....
1) just in case you love it and can't get
2) it takes more than 1 roast to get it right
3) shipping is cheaper in quantity...
I always have at least 10 to 20 pounds on hand...no way I'll be stuck without a choice...waiting on a shipment...
and i never buy under  15 pounds at a time..[<$30 extra dollars a shipment of coffee "no big deal"]
a $1 or $2  adds up real quick....
that additional $$ could be invested in other coffees to try and see if you like... or my kids...
my wallet does not "flow like a river"....
the high ground is an easy position to take...
the theory also leaves out the "little guy" starting out  on ebay....
I imagine sweet maria was in that position at one time...
I have no doubt in my mind , that people that run SM are nice decent and hard working...
that's how good business is run....

I commend  pogo on the post......I've think SM and others overcharge...
i haven't bought from SM in years, don't ever think about buying from them either...too many other choices...

the other simple fact is the farmers are getting a pittence of what "we" actually pay for the beans....
all the "cupping" reviews in the world haven't seemed to change that much....
too bad "the big guys" haven't used their positions in the industry more to change that...
you would think the would have the resources and contacts...to at least angle it more for the guy breaking his back "picking" ,drying sorting etc...

I would take the "high ground" and pay some extra if that was the case...but it isn't...

my .02 on the discussion
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Posted Sun Feb 29, 2004, 3:03pm
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CraigA Said:

I see that Steve Ackman from TwoLoonsCoffee does it too with some of his beans!

Posted January 30, 2004 link

 Now that I've finally gotten Mozilla to work here, I'll just copy'n'paste the e-mail I wrote Craig:

 As far as I know, I was the first to start including chops, or
bag marks.  It started when I was roastmaster at Port City Coffee
Roasters, and a semi-regular greens buyer asked if we had the same Costa Rican
Tarrazu that he'd gotten there the time before.  I couldn't answer him,
because Port City just buys whatever Excellent or CHC happens to be
carrying at any given time, and there really were no records of what we
roasted other than what was on the empty bags on the shelf.
 I looked at the green bean sites, and concluded that none of them had
a way of really knowing whether you were ordering the same bean that you
had last time, so that's when I started my greens site... and it was for
that very reason.

 So, I don't include bag marks on "some" of my beans, but on ALL of them.  
I always have.  Yes, I realize my descriptions are lacking, as I tend
to do my cupping notes on whatever piece of paper happens to be handy, so
when it comes time to add a bean to the site, I don't know where my notes
are half the time.  Most of the time I do cuppings of say three of the
same bean at once.  IOW, I might have Harrars narrowed down to the last
three candidates I might carry.  My notes are mostly for my own use in
comparing them to each other.  Once the shipment comes in, I do another
cupping, and sometimes about that time, I'll brew up a pot, sit down in
front of the computer, wax poetic, and write up a description.  Sometimes
this last step gets lost in the shuffle of day to day activities, and once
the bean is up on the site, I tend to neglect to go back and do the
descriptive thing.

 Anyway, just to set the record straight...
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Posted Sun Feb 29, 2004, 3:09pm
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Hey Steve!

I was going to cut, copy & paste the email here, & you gave me permission to do it, but I thought it was best if you did it.  {:-)
Welcome to the forums Steve, great to see you here! {:-D

 
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Posted Sun Feb 29, 2004, 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Green Coffee Vendor List, Jan-2004
 

Thanks for backing me up a little kmc! LOL. It seems there are some of those people here that if it doesnt come from a known "name", it just cant be good. You know the type, the kind that will only drink CharBucks. LOL.

To the earlier poster that thanked me for leaving him some beans, no problem bucko, you can have all of those overpriced beans you want.

This all goes to prove what marketers have known for years. Package it nicely, tell everyone how sophisticated they will look if you buy it, and you can sell pig penis's for $100 a piece.

Also, for the poster that complained he got a 1/4cup of debris from his coffee, and therefore, ebay bean suppliers are no good........ Give it a break! I had a bad steak at Ruths Chris Steakhouse in Atlanta once, does that mean all of them are bad? NO. Does it mean I will never get a steak there again? Heck no.

Do you think Sweet Marias coffee never has debris in it? Do you think that they go through each bag of their coffee before they ship it to you? Yeah, right.

To those I offended by suggesting you might try to get good coffee at much better prices............ I guess the old saying goes into play,

About advice, A wise man does not need it, and a fool does not heed it.
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Posted Thu Mar 4, 2004, 3:23pm
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eBay is sometimes a good place to buy coffee. I've established some good rapor with wholesale vendors (see my post in the for sale forum) to get quality green coffee and haven't been disappointed so far.
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Posted Fri Mar 12, 2004, 8:14pm
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Here's a new vendor on the block for those adventurous enough - YOU!  Check out the "new" concept in green coffee bean co-op buying at Green Coffee Co-Op where you co-direct the purchase of green coffee beans at truly wholesale prices.
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Posted Fri Mar 12, 2004, 8:30pm
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Yep, posted right here in this thread, Terry McCann., Coffee Co-Op A Success! .

 
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Posted Mon Sep 20, 2004, 5:50pm
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One to add to the list:
http://www.thecaptainscoffee.com/
Haven't tried them, just came across them.
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Posted Tue Sep 21, 2004, 6:38am
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JimsJava Said:

Here's a new vendor on the block for those adventurous enough - YOU!  Check out the "new" concept in green coffee bean co-op buying at Green Coffee Co-Op where you co-direct the purchase of green coffee beans at truly wholesale prices.

Posted March 12, 2004 link

I thought I would bump this.
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Posted Wed Nov 17, 2004, 9:01pm
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SteveCaffeine Said:

I recently reviewed several threads and made some searches for green bean vendor websites.  I  then went a step farther and calculated the per pound cost of a 10 pound order of some 'middle of the road Columbian' with delivery costs added, to my 443xx Ohio address.  I realize this is somewhat unfair,  but it is a quick and dirty evaluation tool.  I am open to methods of improvement.   Using this information I generated a crude score for the vendors pricing, ranking these from A to D.

In addition I made a quick count of the number of non-decaf bean varieties carried by each vendor and ranked the vendor's selection from A++ to C.  This count is somewhat crude also (20-25 varieties results in a B score).

Obviously many factors besides price and selection should be taken into account when choosing a vendor, particularly product quality and customer service.   Also the order size (10 lbs in this case) will make some difference in price.   The extreme example of quantity affecting price is procoffee.com(associated with coffeeam.com) which literally goes from worst to first if one orders in 50 pound quantities rather than 10 pounds.

That table below includes price ranking (A best), selection ranking ( A++  best), URL, actual costs or estimates in USD, and to the extent available the shipping location.

Legend::

Price:Selection:  URL
      coffee+shipping=total  location

Table::
A:B-:  http://www.ccmcoffee.com
         2.55+0.74=3.29 Tampa Florida 33614
B:?:   http://stores.ebay.com/ourcoffeebarn
         2.99+0.84=3.87 est ?
B:B-:  http://mccauleycoffee.zoovy.com
         2.99+0.96=3.95 Kent, WA 98032
B:A++: http://www.coffeebeancorral.com
           3.22+0.76=3.98 AZ 86325 & MS 39079
B:B:   http://www.1st-line.com
         3.29+0.77=4.06 ?Hazlet, NJ 07730
B:A:   http://www.coffeeproject.com
         3.20+0.86=4.06 Hollywood CA 90028
B:C:   http://www.rdaltoncoffee.com
         3.25+0.86=4.11 Houston, Texas 77040
B:A:   http://baldmountaincoffee.com
         3.49+0.66=4.15 Auburn Hills, MI 88321
B:A-:  http://www.cmebrewcoffee.com
         3.40+0.75=4.15 Mansfield, OH 44903
B:B:   http://www.coffeemaria.com
         3.60+0.71=4.31 Addison Il. 60101
C:B:   http://www.burmancoffee.com
         3.65+0.91=4.56 Madison, WI
C:C:   http://www.mollycoffee.com
         3.80+0.76=4.56 N.Carolina?
C:A:   http://www.coffeewholesalers.com
         3.60+1.14=4.74 Eugene OR 97405
C:B:   http://twoloonscoffee.com/index.html
         3.80+0.95=4.75 Bemidji, MN 56619
C:A+:  http://www.sweetmarias.com
          3.83+1.04=4.87 Emeryville, CA 94608
C-:C:  http://www.andrewsgreenbeans.4t.com
          3.98+???=5.00(estUSD) Toronto, Ontario
D:A-:  http://www.tgcbc.com
         3.50+1.68=5.18 Ketchikan, AK 99901
D:B:   http://www.rileys-coffee.com
         3.92+1.42=5.34 Fairview Heights, IL 62208
D:C:   http://www.coffeestorehouse.com
         4.29+1.08=5.37 Roland, AR 72135
D:A:   http://coffeeam.com/index.html
         4.89+0.49=5.38 Woodstock, GA 30188
D:B:   http://www.procoffee.com
         5.00+0.91=5.91 est  Woodstock GA 30188
?:?:    http://www.gilliescoffee.com
         ?+?=? no webstore NY
?:?:    http://www.mayorgaimports.com
         ?+?=? webstore soon Rockville, MD 20850

===
Note: in 50 lb quantity ...
A++:B:  http://www.procoffee.com (50lb qty)
            1.95+0.42=2.37 Woodstock GA 30188

=================================

This guide is certainly limited in scope and value, but it does confirm some regular comments I see posted.   I'll try to incorporate email or posted comments in a future update to this list.  In particular I'll include other coffee vendors, and  *constructive* comments for improving the rating system.   BTW I have no affiliation with any of the above except as a customer.

-Steve
BTW in NE Ohio interested in splitting some 50lb orders ?

Posted January 19, 2004 link

AWESOME!!!  I remember tghis thread from a while back...
Great list!  OK, it's missing Mitalena Coffee.  They don't do well about answering emails but they do have a n ice selection and what I would consider reasonable prices.  

Tonight I just roasted some Yemen Mokha Mattari I got from them.

 
Jon Rosenthal
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