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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 12:45am
Subject: Green Coffee Vendor List, Jan-2004
 

I recently reviewed several threads and made some searches for green bean vendor websites.  I  then went a step farther and calculated the per pound cost of a 10 pound order of some 'middle of the road Columbian' with delivery costs added, to my 443xx Ohio address.  I realize this is somewhat unfair,  but it is a quick and dirty evaluation tool.  I am open to methods of improvement.   Using this information I generated a crude score for the vendors pricing, ranking these from A to D.

In addition I made a quick count of the number of non-decaf bean varieties carried by each vendor and ranked the vendor's selection from A++ to C.  This count is somewhat crude also (20-25 varieties results in a B score).

Obviously many factors besides price and selection should be taken into account when choosing a vendor, particularly product quality and customer service.   Also the order size (10 lbs in this case) will make some difference in price.   The extreme example of quantity affecting price is procoffee.com(associated with coffeeam.com) which literally goes from worst to first if one orders in 50 pound quantities rather than 10 pounds.

That table below includes price ranking (A best), selection ranking ( A++  best), URL, actual costs or estimates in USD, and to the extent available the shipping location.

Legend::

Price:Selection:  URL
      coffee+shipping=total  location

Table::
A:B-:  http://www.ccmcoffee.com
         2.55+0.74=3.29 Tampa Florida 33614
B:?:   http://stores.ebay.com/ourcoffeebarn
         2.99+0.84=3.87 est ?
B:B-:  http://mccauleycoffee.zoovy.com
         2.99+0.96=3.95 Kent, WA 98032
B:A++: http://www.coffeebeancorral.com
           3.22+0.76=3.98 AZ 86325 & MS 39079
B:B:   http://www.1st-line.com
         3.29+0.77=4.06 ?Hazlet, NJ 07730
B:A:   http://www.coffeeproject.com
         3.20+0.86=4.06 Hollywood CA 90028
B:C:   http://www.rdaltoncoffee.com
         3.25+0.86=4.11 Houston, Texas 77040
B:A:   http://baldmountaincoffee.com
         3.49+0.66=4.15 Auburn Hills, MI 88321
B:A-:  http://www.cmebrewcoffee.com
         3.40+0.75=4.15 Mansfield, OH 44903
B:B:   http://www.coffeemaria.com
         3.60+0.71=4.31 Addison Il. 60101
C:B:   http://www.burmancoffee.com
         3.65+0.91=4.56 Madison, WI
C:C:   http://www.mollycoffee.com
         3.80+0.76=4.56 N.Carolina?
C:A:   http://www.coffeewholesalers.com
         3.60+1.14=4.74 Eugene OR 97405
C:B:   http://twoloonscoffee.com/index.html
         3.80+0.95=4.75 Bemidji, MN 56619
C:A+:  http://www.sweetmarias.com
          3.83+1.04=4.87 Emeryville, CA 94608
C-:C:  http://www.andrewsgreenbeans.4t.com
          3.98+???=5.00(estUSD) Toronto, Ontario
D:A-:  http://www.tgcbc.com
         3.50+1.68=5.18 Ketchikan, AK 99901
D:B:   http://www.rileys-coffee.com
         3.92+1.42=5.34 Fairview Heights, IL 62208
D:C:   http://www.coffeestorehouse.com
         4.29+1.08=5.37 Roland, AR 72135
D:A:   http://coffeeam.com/index.html
         4.89+0.49=5.38 Woodstock, GA 30188
D:B:   http://www.procoffee.com
         5.00+0.91=5.91 est  Woodstock GA 30188
?:?:    http://www.gilliescoffee.com
         ?+?=? no webstore NY
?:?:    http://www.mayorgaimports.com
         ?+?=? webstore soon Rockville, MD 20850

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Note: in 50 lb quantity ...
A++:B:  http://www.procoffee.com (50lb qty)
            1.95+0.42=2.37 Woodstock GA 30188

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This guide is certainly limited in scope and value, but it does confirm some regular comments I see posted.   I'll try to incorporate email or posted comments in a future update to this list.  In particular I'll include other coffee vendors, and  *constructive* comments for improving the rating system.   BTW I have no affiliation with any of the above except as a customer.

-Steve
BTW in NE Ohio interested in splitting some 50lb orders ?
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 2:34am
Subject: Re: Green Coffee Vendor List, Jan-2004
 

This is an interesting list. I've read it over a few times, and your modus for coming to the rankings...

I've been trying to think about how I could incorporate this as a website feature... but the catch for me is that it has to be fairly automated, and "non-corruptible" (as in, the figures have to be honest). I know we could build a "harvester" of sorts to grab the proper prices for specific coffees, but those can be spoofed.

Plus, I'd like to see more criteria, like a BizRate rating, for eg (but not all participate in that), and different coffee offerings. Shipping is another factor that can be a challenge to automatically calculate.

Yet another option is someone manually inputting the numbers every quarter. We could certainly build the interface to facilitate that, and make the information gathering as easy as possible, but it is still a lot of work.

Thoughts?

BTW, this kind of goes hand in hand with another long term project we have planned - cupping datum collection... people would input their cupping info into a standardized form; I often get asked for coffee reviews, and I think consumer-submitted cupping results might fit the bill. A "Green Coffee Vendor List" would be a good addition to this new subsection under either the consumer reviews section, or the Resources section.

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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 10:11am
Subject: Re: Green Coffee Vendor List, Jan-2004
 

This is really cool.  It would be interesting to see the actual difference in the price per pound of the coffee.  I have always been struck by the wide variation in price of what is a commodity.  Clearly, the specialty vendors such as SM does the careful cupping and search for a distinct varietal, which is worth a premium.  

But for the 'middle of the road' coffees, I assume the vendors are getting the same product from the same brokers, so one would expect to see much narrower variations in price.  And of course, volume has something to do with it as well.  A vendor that buys beans by the container load probably gets a cheaper price per pound that they can pass along to their customers, as opposed to a vendor who buys a single 135 lb. sack and then breaks it down for retail sales.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 10:27am
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Hi Steve,

Please don't forget & take into account that I'm in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, so my prices would be approximately 30% cheaper! for the exchange rate, so that's very skewed...

You have
3.98+???=5.00(estUSD) Toronto, Ontario. At 30% exchange the price on $5/lb Can would be $3.50/lb US, not $3.98.
That would move me up 6 notches. {;-)

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P.S. Michael, the coffee "C" futures contract bid on NYBOT (New York Board of Trade) is 37,500 lbs (a container), & that would equal 243.5 154 lb (70 kg) full burlap bags!  {:-O That price is approx $0.7115 cents/lb. There is also a Mini "C" contract bid at 12,500 lbs. I don't think any vendors are buying in that large a quantity! LOL  {:-D

 
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 10:51am
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If a buyer in the USA buys green beans from you, Craig, is customs duty paid on that purchase by the buyer?

 
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 11:00am
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MGLloyd Said:

If a buyer in the USA buys green beans from you, Craig, is customs duty paid on that purchase by the buyer?

Posted January 19, 2004 link

It depends on your daily customs exemption allowance Mike. I think you guys have a $300 US daily exemption. We Canucks get the shaft @ $50 Can, & are supposed to be gone 24hrs for that, when you're physically crossing the border!!  Anything over $20 Canadian mailed into Canada & "Big Brother" is sticking their big fat noses into it.
Yes a buyer would have to pay duty, if applicable., just like I would.

Shipping isn't cheap either, & the cheapest is USA Small Packet (Surface) & limited to 1 kg. Other options are on the Canada Post website.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 2:27pm
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US Customs and the post office don't care a wit about anything under $200 USD, esp. if it's labelled a "gift" when it is mailed from Canada to the US (of course, they do care about things like bombs and drugs that are mailed).

Meanwhile, if anything has a value over $20 CDN - be prepared to pay taxes, duties, and brokerage fees if it's coming to Canada. Our govt's priority is reminding people that we work for them :)

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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 2:29pm
Subject: Re: Green Coffee Vendor List, Jan-2004
 

Interesting.  I cannot remember the last time I bought a food item from Canada and could not remember if that was exempt from custom duties.  It seems like just about everything else I buy from Canada is subject to duties.  So I wonder if duties plus the higher shipping (at least for me, across the continent from you) would wipe out the price savings from the different exchange rates.  Hmm...

PS: Edited to add a comment in light of Mark's observations.  Perhaps the labeling as a 'gift' is the key.  Just last month I bought three Natalie MacMaster CDs (whom I highly recommend if you like Celtic/Cape Breton music; it's enough to make a middle-aged executive white guy get up and dance) directly from her in Nova Scotia.  I remember the invoice reflected a charge of $ 4 CDN as customs duties.

PPS: Wasn't NAFTA supposed to largely eliminate customs duties between Mexico, Canada and the US?  Or am I thinking about tariffs instead?

 
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 3:07pm
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Hey, that's great! I had too much coffee and instead of sleeping compiled a list of green suppliers. I was looking for unusual origin coffees.

Here are a few that you missed:

http://www.freshcoffeebeans.com/beans.asp
http://frontporchcoffee.com/ceamgrcobe.html
http://lostdutchmancoffee.com/beans/index.html
http://www.birdsandbeans.ca/4daction/wShopForGreenCoffee
http://www.netcoffeebean.com/beans.html
http://www.backchatcoffee.com/beans.html
http://www.greencoffeebeans.com/
Click Here (www.coffee-makers-espresso-machines.com)
http://www.zaccardis.com/green-coffee-beans.html
Click Here (www.javahutroasters.com)
http://www.theme-gifts.com/greencofbean.html small, expensive
Click Here (www.joescoffeehouse.com)
http://store.ourcoffeebarn.com/grbrsene.html
http://www.coffeedirect2u.com/site/390921/page/233535
Click Here (www.thecoffeecritic.com)

Anyone know where to get coffee beans of really unusual origin? (I did find a galapagos and venezuelian source).
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Posted Mon Jan 19, 2004, 3:23pm
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CoffeeKid Said:

US Customs and the post office don't care a wit about anything under $200 USD, esp. if it's labelled a "gift" when it is mailed from Canada to the US (of course, they do care about things like bombs and drugs that are mailed).
Meanwhile, if anything has a value over $20 CDN - be prepared to pay taxes, duties, and brokerage fees if it's coming to Canada. Our govt's priority is reminding people that we work for them :)

Mark



I said the same, didn't spell it all out. That $20 package & up has a minimum $5 handling fee on it as well, if that didn't go up with the rest of Canada Posts rates last Mon Jan 12th! {:-(

 
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