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dahlor
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Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 2:22pm
Subject: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

Ok, newbie question.  What's the difference (in end product, not process) between the semiauto machines (I have a SL70) and the stovetop models.  Not the "flip & drip" ones, but the "oiling water passes up through grind" ones.  It seems they are more kin to a vac brewer than an espresso machine.  Are they called espresso machine because that's the type of roast they use?  I am very curious.

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Espresso: CKX, Mini Gaggia, Arrarex...
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Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Hario 3-cups...
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Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 2:36pm
Subject: Re: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

Those stovetop coffee makers are called Moka pot. They don't produce espresso. The water at the bottom is only being force upwards with 1~2 bar of pressure. They make a much stronger body coffee than drip/fresh press/vac pots, but not to the point of espresso. I'd call it in between. I'm sure you'll find lots of info/history about moka pot if you goole it.

I enjoy them in the morning before heading out because it only takes 2-3mins to brew my coffee. No warming up machine and I don't need to clean it right away.

 
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Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 3:05pm
Subject: Re: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

So, if a fella (me) was interested in getting stronger than the press pot (which I have) but short of espresso would you advise toward vac pot or a moka pot?  I am also EXTREMELY interested in trying the Ibrik (how do you pronounce that anyway??) but one step at a time (my wife keeps telling me) :-)

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Espresso: CKX, Mini Gaggia, Arrarex...
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Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Hario 3-cups...
Drip: Cup-size stanless...
Roaster: popper, hotpan
Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 3:37pm
Subject: Re: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

dahlor Said:

So, if a fella (me) was interested in getting stronger than the press pot (which I have) but short of espresso would you advise toward vac pot or a moka pot?

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If you wanted a stronger body brew, out of vac pot/french press/moka pot, moka pot is the one you want. But you can always do an Americano with your machine.

I enjoy using my moka pot with a medium roast with 1:1 warm milk (warm in the microwave) in the morning, but it just can't replace my espresso machine. If I've time, I'd choose to use my espresso machine instead of my moka pot. The problem with moka pot is that there is a large range of temperature change during the brewing process and the brewing temperature can be a bit too high for coffee.

Vac pots are more like french press with a much cleaner taste. I tend to use my vac pot/french press (depending on the time I've got in my hands) during the afternoon. Vac pot takes more care than using a french press.

dahlor Said:

I am also EXTREMELY interested in trying the Ibrik (how do you pronounce that anyway??) but one step at a time (my wife keeps telling me) :-)

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Briki (or whatever all the other names were) is something I enjoy after dinner and it takes some(or more than some in my case) practice to be able to make a good one, building a nice foam head is difficult. Use a light roast if you're interested.

 
go easy, ride safe and keep brewing,
henry

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Espresso: Bezzera BZ02S
Grinder: Rancilio Rocky
Drip: coffee drinker says WHAT?
Roaster: Fresh Roast Plus 8
Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 3:44pm
Subject: Re: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

Thanks so much!  That clears up a lot.  It can also lay my wife's fears to ease: "We paid how much when we could've paid how much?!?" :-)
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Espresso: CKX, Mini Gaggia, Arrarex...
Grinder: Mazzer Super Jolly, EM0480,...
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos, Hario 3-cups...
Drip: Cup-size stanless...
Roaster: popper, hotpan
Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 3:54pm
Subject: Re: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

You should tell your wife that the SL-70 is a great machine at its price range. If you haven't already, get an aftermarket non-pressurized basket.

 
go easy, ride safe and keep brewing,
henry

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Location: USA (KC, MO area)
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Bezzera BZ02S
Grinder: Rancilio Rocky
Drip: coffee drinker says WHAT?
Roaster: Fresh Roast Plus 8
Posted Sat Nov 5, 2005, 4:02pm
Subject: Re: stovetop espresso vs. semiauto what's the deal?
 

Yes and yes.  Did my homework and ordered the basket along with the machine.  I just love this stuff!!!!! :-)
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