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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 9:58am
Subject: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

Hi,

Until now I owned a standard "Mr. Coffee" machine for daily cofee.

I've been doing my homework to find a real coffee machine and found 2 options. The technivorm has won on excelency of coffee flavor, but lacks of automatic features and looks like a laboratory. The second option is the Capresso which i've read that makes the best (home made) coffee and has better design.

Does anyone have an opinion on those or how would you decide?

Technivorm Moccamaster KBT 741
http://www.technivorm.com/home.html


Capresso MT500 Plus
http://www.capresso.com/prod_makers_mt500.html


A THIRD contender would be the Capresso ST600 wich is newer tha the 500 but have not found enough reviews of this one.

http://www.capresso.com/prod_makers_st600.html

Any help would be welcomed.

Thanks!!!
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 10:24am
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Caleb,

I am 100% sold on the Technivorm.  I have a Moccamaster CD and would buy another in a heartbeat.  Automatic features, like grinding the coffee and setting it up the night before, run contrary to great coffee.  Make sure there is room in your budget for a great grinder ... everything is an accessory to the grinder.

Coincidentally, I upgraded from a Mr. Coffee to the Technivorm Moccamaster CD.

 
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 10:30am
Subject: Re: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

eodove,

I appreciate your fast response! Really, thanks.
I just

- What is CD? Is it different than the KBT 741?
- What kind of grinder would you suggest?
- Whould you please suggest filters too?

I know, I know... you are not my teacher but your review looks quite objective and I liked that. I think your suggestions of the rest would be the same. ...(and they were)
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 10:45am
Subject: Re: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

Caleb,

Yes, Technivorm has several models ... CD = Clement Design ... and they come in different colors ... mine is graphite as opposed to the chrome in the picture below.

As for the grinder, there will always be a lot of debate, but I recommend you purchase the best you can afford.  In my opinion, If your can afford the Rancilio Rocky, buy it.  If you don't want to go that high, you can look at the KitchenAid Pro Line.  The better the grinder, the better your coffee.  If you ever decide to enter the world of espresso, the Rocky will take you there competently.

I have a KitchenAid Pro Line and that is what I used with my Technivorm since June.  A few weeks ago I got a Mazzer Mini, and it made such a difference in all of my brewing methods, that I have not touched the KitchenAid since.  All of the flavors are just clear as a bell now.  I was contemplating taking the KitchenAid to work, but now I am thinking about selling it and buying the Rancilio Rocky for work.

EddieDove: Technivorm_Moccamaster_CD.jpg
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 10:46am
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Caleb,

This is another model ...

EddieDove: Technivorm_Clubline_GCS.jpg
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 11:13am
Subject: Re: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

Thanks again eodove.

You know, I was considering the KBT 741 because of the thermal carafe. I like to drink good coffee all mornig while working. But my problems now are that it either gets cold or overburned.

But now that you mention the other two models, I got the idea that maybe I can buy a separate thermal carafe but I'm gessing that I'll need to pre-heat it before pouring the freshly brewed.

How would you choose between the technivorm models?
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 11:37am
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Caleb,

I have never cared for thermal carafes and gave up on them some time ago.  I brew my coffee and put it into a pre-heated (really hot tap water) Thermos Nissan thermos and it stays piping hot all day long.  They even have brew-in carafes now.  I think there was another thread here recently about that.

All of the Technivorms are made with the same quality ...

Reference this previous post to help decide which one ... Click Here

 
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 12:09pm
Subject: Re: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

eodove,

What's your beef with thermal carafes?  I have the KBT 741 because I don't want a hot plate.  The thermal carafe works just fine (though not the world's greatest pouring spout).  It's just a thermos Caleb so the temping with hot water applies just as much as a with a seperately purchased one.  I'd suggest that you go with a gold filter (Swiss Gold or something similar).  Paper filters will give you a slightly cleaner (less silty) cup, but you'll lose just a bit of flavor so it depends on your preference.  Grind just a hair coarser for gold vs. paper.
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 12:33pm
Subject: Re: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

I've certainly heard admirable things about the Capressos and if one tickles your fancy design-wise I'd consider it but the Technivorm is the long-standing king of drip brewers.  

The MT500 seems to have a problem for some people where the hole in the top of the carafe that the coffee brews into gets easily stopped up and causes and overflow.

bc

 
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Posted Thu Dec 7, 2006, 12:38pm
Subject: Re: Pleas help - Buying a new Coffee Machine.
 

Jonah,

Many people love their thermal carafes; its personal preference, and do note that I referenced the brew in carafes that someone else mentioned in another thread.  Like I said, I gave up on them a long time ago and one of the reasons was, like you mentioned, poor pouring; perhaps they have improved, but I prefer to be able to see the brew first and note the color and clarity (meticulous, I know, but it is part of the whole for me).  I have not found a thermal carafe, that comes with a coffee maker, that can keep coffee hot as long as my thermos (rated 24 hours hot / cold).  My coffee goes into the thermos (easier to take to work) at 4:30 AM and at 4:30 PM it is still hot enough to enjoy the flavor changes as the cup cools.  On the other hand, I agree with your hotplate position as I don't use the hotplate either because it just cooks the coffee and quickly ruins it; even at home on the weekends, the coffee goes directly into the thermos.  I can tell you that the Technivorm hotplate gets extremely hot and they even have a switch to make it hotter.

In the other previous thread that I referenced, there are questions to help someone decide which Technivorm they want.  The first question is whether or not one wants a thermal carafe.

Just my preference.

 
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