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Dajad
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Joined: 21 May 2006
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Location: Toronto
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Espresso: aeropress
Grinder: kitchenaid proline
Drip: capresso MT500

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 9:47am Subject: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

After a more than two years of daily Aeropress use and my recent 5 weeks of daily Bodum Chambord testing (details here) I decided to put the two to the Mug-at-a-time, head to head, test. I posted my testing details, pictures, results, conclusions, caveat and comparison table and in this post. For those not interested in all the nitty gritty, here are my ... Conclusions: Both methods make exceptionally good cups of coffee. The Chambord is by far the easier method for brewing 12 oz mugs of robust coffee. The Aeropress indisputably makes the better, crisper, cleaner mug of coffee. But the divide between the two narrowed substantially as my Chambord brewing prowess increased. If you are brewing 8 ounces of Americano coffee or less, the Aeropress is the undisputed winner. If you are brewing more than 8 ounces, value your time, desire a robust mug of coffee and are willing to sacrifice a bit of clarity and crispness for day-to-day ease of use, the Chambord (equipped with a nylon fine sediment filterscreen) is the winner. While the Chambord’s overall ease of use for 12 oz mugs of coffee beats the Aeropress, I do note that the Aeropress is easier to clean. You simply plunge the relatively dry puck into your compost and rinse the pieces. The resulting wet slurry in the Chambord takes longer to clean out and the individual filter portions of the plunger need to be unscrewed and individually rinsed/cleaned. For my day-to-day coffee drinking needs the Chambord convenience trumps the slightly superior Aeropress coffee. If Aerobie comes out with a 12 oz version of the Aeropress, assuming the quality is the same as with the current 8 oz version, the Aeropress will reign supreme in my home once again. Until then, the Chambord will be my mug-at-a-time brewing method of choice. ...Dale (Click for larger image)

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JVBorella
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Joined: 29 Oct 2007
Posts: 488
Location: northeastern CT.
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: LaSpaziale Vivaldi S1V2
Grinder: Mazzer SJ,KA Pro,Zassenhaus...
Vac Pot: Press Pots/Finum Filters
Drip: No Thanks
Roaster: Before Long

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 1:05pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

Your test only proves that YOU prefer the taste of Aeropressed coffee over F/P. I've tried both & feel the exact opposite is true. At the moment my favorite coffee after Espresso is made by brewing right in a large mug using the large Finum filter. Currently enjoying some of the new Esmeralda using this methods & the flavors are much better then anything I ever got out of the Areopress which is gathering dust in the cupboard. As for easy clean up you can't beat the Finum filter. Dump out the grounds, rinse & you are done.

John

AlanAdler
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Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 496
Location: Palo Alto, Calif
Expertise: Professional

Espresso: AeroPress
Grinder: Baratza - Virtuoso
Roaster: Fresh Roast Plus 8

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 2:13pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

Hi Dajad, The SCAA "Gold Standard" strength for American coffee is 1.25% total dissolved solids. You get that when each AeroPress scoop is pressed, then diluted to 5 ounces of brew. So if you press 2.5 scoops and dilute that to 12 ounces you will have the Gold Standard strength. Best, Alan

Waynen
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Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Posts: 135
Location: Kentucky
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: Brikka, Moka Pot
Grinder: Ditting KF804,Nemox Lux
Vac Pot: Silex ,Fr Press,
Drip: Cowboy coffee Thru Finum
Roaster: Wearever pumper

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 2:44pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

Sorry for the minor hijack hear! John, if I may ask; What are you grinding the esmerelda with? Thanks, Wayne

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 3:18pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

Waynen Said: Sorry for the minor hijack hear! John, if I may ask; What are you grinding the esmerelda with? Thanks, Wayne Posted July 31, 2008 link I just posted some info here: "How to: An inexpensive, easy single cup method"

John

Dajad
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Joined: 21 May 2006
Posts: 60
Location: Toronto
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: aeropress
Grinder: kitchenaid proline
Drip: capresso MT500

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 5:15pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

AlanAdler Said: Hi Dajad, The SCAA "Gold Standard" strength for American coffee is 1.25% total dissolved solids. You get that when each AeroPress scoop is pressed, then diluted to 5 ounces of brew. So if you press 2.5 scoops and dilute that to 12 ounces you will have the Gold Standard strength. Best, Alan Posted July 31, 2008 link Alan, I really appreciate your chiming in here. When I first got the Aeropress I tried the diluting approach described in the manual and what I presume you are describing above. I use two of the Aerobie scooper scoops which works out to 20 grams. Even when I fill the Aeropress to the top with water (to get even more water through the beans) and then add 4 more ounces of hot water, the result is too diluted for me. Perhaps I got spoiled when I lived in California and could walk up to a Peets at any time of the day and purchase a first rate bold cup of coffee. Anything less than Peets' usual boldness is too weak for me. The only way I ever got that robustness/boldness with the Aeropress (after trying many different ways over many months) was my pour-wait-stir-pour-wait-stir-pour-wait-stir routine that I've been doing for the last 2 years as the first 4 or so ounces dribble through on their own before I can press the remaining 8 ozs. But, you know, its not just me and my taste for bolder coffee. I've introduced the Aeropress to at least a dozen others and most of them also drink mugs of coffee and most of them all go through the same pour-wait-pour-wait routine that I go through. I understand that the Aeropress was designed more for the espresso crowd and clearly it is THE PERFECT device for them. But i really believe, based on everyone I've introduced the Aeropress too, and based on dozens if not hundreds of comments on the coffee geek forum that there is a market for a 12 oz sized Aeropress. I'd be the first in line to buy one. I hope its in your longer term product plans! :) Cheers. P.S. I'll still pull out the Aeropress when I want to test out a new coffee or when I want to impress my guests. It won't be wasted. It just won't get the daily workouts its gotten used to over the last two years any more. ...Dale

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JohnF
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Espresso: Carezza (in the nude) :)
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Vac Pot: Yama on the way....
Drip: Pour over and presses...
Roaster: 2# Buzz Roaster & SC/TO

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 6:54pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

JVBorella Said: Your test only proves that YOU prefer the taste of Aeropressed coffee over F/P. Posted July 31, 2008 link I go along with that. To add on some....the FP and AP are not really similar enough cups that you could be comparing them against each other directly anyway. Pretty much the only thing you can be testing is personal preference. On the TDS measurement angle it is of limited use unless we know what all of those D.S's are. As an example we can fill a sock with oatmeal and sugar then dunk it in water to reach the golden standard 1.25% TDS. :o Now I feel all negative and stuff. :(

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Dajad
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Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 7:05pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

JohnF Said: I go along with that. To add on some....the FP and AP are not really similar enough cups that you could be comparing them against each other directly anyway. Posted July 31, 2008 link As I described in my longer post (linked above) when I use the bold Peets Arabian Mocha Sonani beans with the pour-stir-wait, pour-stir-wait, pour-stir-wait kludge with the AA, the resulting mug is VERY similar to the resulting french press mug. The same is true for most other bold beans I've tested including Starbucks Italian, Starbucks Arabian Mocha Sonani and Peets French roast. The whole point of my mug-at-a-time brewing method is that I do not, and am not trying, to achieve the espresso-like drink beverage most here use the AA for. I want a STRONG, robust, full-flavoured, yet smooth mug of bold coffee (sometimes with cream, sometimes without) and both methods do the job and provide surprisingly similar results. ...Dale

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AlanAdler
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Location: Palo Alto, Calif
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Espresso: AeroPress
Grinder: Baratza - Virtuoso
Roaster: Fresh Roast Plus 8

Posted Thu Jul 31, 2008, 7:57pm Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

Hi All, I've measured the TDS and the pH of Peet's brew. It's pretty strong. Peet's TDS is about 1.5x the SCAA Gold Standard. So my formula for that would be about 3.3 ounces of dilute brew per AeroPress scoop. You would press 3.5 scoops to make 12 ounces of brew. With gentle pressure, a fine grind would take a minute or longer to press. Peet's pH is quite acidic. If you want that, use hotter water. You can go all the way to boiling. (Ugh! It gives me a sore tummy!). If these suggestions don't suit your taste, I'd suspect the grind. How is your coffee ground? Best regards, Alan

Dajad
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Location: Toronto
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: aeropress
Grinder: kitchenaid proline
Drip: capresso MT500

Posted Fri Aug 1, 2008, 8:04am Subject: Re: Mug-at-a-Time Head to Head: Bodum Chambord vs. Aerobie Aeropress

Hi Alan: Peets has, of course, many different blends and varietals so there is probably wide swings between the different blends. I've never tried the approach you are suggesting - 3.5 scoops per mug mostly because that's going to get very costly. I import my Peets coffee to Canada. And while the Canadian $ has risen to parity over the last year, moving from my current 2 scoops to 3.5 scoops per mug would almost double my cost - which is already quite high. But I'm going to give it a try just for fun and giggles to see what 3.5 scoops brewed in the Aerobie (and then topped up with hot water) as you suggest would yield. All the details of my head to head (including grind levels) are set out in my post here. I grind my coffee with the KitchenAid Pro. I use anywhere from a 6.5 to an 8 grind level with the Aerobie - depending on the bean. My Peets is never acidic though - especially when brewed with the Aerobie. I usually use there Arabian Mocha Sanani blend but brew lots of other beans with their French Roast being my second favourite. It's always bold and smooth - never acidic. I'll report back once I try the expensive 3.5 scoop test. But I'd still prefer a 12 oz press where I can use my preferred 2 scoop method and run ALL the water through the press! :) ...Dale

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