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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 4:18pm
Subject: Re: Bunn Trifecta Home - New product debut at CoffeeCon 2012
 

Evan, to further expand on Rob's suggestion, I suggest a Google search of 'Bunn Trifecta MB and Youtube'....you will see some good demos of it in action.
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Bunn Trifecta Home - New product debut at CoffeeCon 2012
 

I have read it, and I have watched the videos. I've researched it quite a bit. But the agitation doesn't seem to be any more intense than the combination of steam bubbling into the top of the vacpot combined with stirring the grounds. In fact I would say that there is far more agitation in the vacpot process.
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Bunn Trifecta Home - New product debut at CoffeeCon 2012
 

EvanOz85 Said:

I have read it, and I have watched the videos. I've researched it quite a bit. But the agitation doesn't seem to be any more intense than the combination of steam bubbling into the top of the vacpot combined with stirring the grounds. In fact I would say that there is far more agitation in the vacpot process.

Posted March 5, 2012 link

And your point is?
I'm really trying to figure out where you're going with this.

Apparently this technology has been successful with their commercial unit, and they have been able to repackage it for home use.
FWIW, we're talking about 12oz of water per use (I believe), not 24-40oz of liquid yield in a vac pot, depending on size.
Again, according the information available, agitation is only one factor in the brewing process.

I would suggest you allow your taste buds to decide whether such a brewer as the Trifecta fits your cost/versus taste criteria.
Perhaps there is a commercial unit somewhere in your area.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 9:10pm
Subject: Re: Bunn Trifecta Home - New product debut at CoffeeCon 2012
 

IMAWriter Said:

And your point is?
I'm really trying to figure out where you're going with this.

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Stop trying to figure so much!
Adults are having a conversation here, so stop trying to censor the discussion.  
You keep interrupting and trying to steer the conversation in the direction that only YOU want it to go in.
We don't need your approval every time we want to make a post concerning the Bunn Trifecta.

There are going to be good things to say about the Bunn Trifecta, as well as some negative things to point out.
And I want to hear both sides!
If all I wanted to read were glowing reviews, I would go to the Bunn website.
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Bunn Trifecta Home - New product debut at CoffeeCon 2012
 

chasemonster Said:

Stop trying to figure so much!
Adults are having a conversation here, so stop trying to censor the discussion.  
You keep interrupting and trying to steer the conversation in the direction that only YOU want it to go in.
We don't need your approval every time we want to make a post concerning the Bunn Trifecta.

Posted March 5, 2012 link

+1

 
"You can write down how to make the perfect cup of coffee. But to make it really good, you have to play something fictional, you have to dress up, you have to think, This is the most important thing."
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 9:42pm
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EvanOz85 Said:

I have read it, and I have watched the videos. I've researched it quite a bit. But the agitation doesn't seem to be any more intense than the combination of steam bubbling into the top of the vacpot combined with stirring the grounds. In fact I would say that there is far more agitation in the vacpot process.

Posted March 5, 2012 link

Evan, let's get back to your reasonable question.  Instead of looking at a vac pot for comparison, consider the Aeropress.  20 seconds of steep time, 20 seconds of press time (approx).  Now see the key factor?  It's the pressure during the final press.  Same goes for espresso: add pressure, reduce time.

As for the air infusion, yes that is a key factor in manifesting the full flavor, but in this case, not by extracting more from the bean, but rather by accelerating the transformation of the already extracted ingredients in the liquid.  Air infusion means you don't have to shake up the final brew or wait as long for the chemical reactions to do their thing in the presence of oxygen while staring at your cup.

Addendum: on further consideration, yes, the air turbulence is also used to get more or less abrasion, according to which setting you use.  I won't get into extraction vs. abrasion, but suffice to say we're talking about physical vs. chemical effects here.  That's why the flavor profile alters toward more nutty, etc. kinds of flavors vs. fruity acidity the more turbulent your setting.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 9:46pm
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Of course, don't forget that the air turbulence serves another purpose.  First, it mixes up the floating grounds.  2nd, it does all that other stuff I mentioned in my previous post.

Whew.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:06pm
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EvanOz85 Said:

Can someone explain how the Trifecta manages to produce a properly extracted cup in under one minute with Bunn's recommended course grind, when vacuum pots can take 2:30+ with a fine grind?

Posted March 5, 2012 link

The vacpot draw down is pulling the coffee through the grounds rather than pressing it through as in an espresso machine, moka pot, aeropress or the trifecta. while the draw down is faster and stronger than just drip (due to the vaccum created as the bottom vessel cools) I don't believe it pulls the coffee through with the same level of pressure as the other methods I mentioned use to push the coffee through the grinds.

Hypothesizing here, but I think the combination of the agitation keeping the slurry moving and evening out the extraction, the :40 - :50 steep time and the final press of the coffee out through the fine mesh filter at the bottom of the brew chamber is what results in a properly brewed cup. Of course depending on tastes some users may grind coarser or finer, but the trifecta approach is to keep the grind consistent and then dial in the brew to your liking based on the agitation level and steep time.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:16pm
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JeffPersson Said:

Hypothesizing here

Posted March 5, 2012 link

HOW DARE YOU! ;)

remember....

IMAWriter Said:

Speculation serves no real purpose to this discussion.

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Posted Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:20pm
Subject: Re: Bunn Trifecta Home - New product debut at CoffeeCon 2012
 

Bitches_Brew Said:

+1

Posted March 5, 2012 link

I am merely trying to understand what comparisons to vac pot brewing have to do with this thread, other than the fact they are both immersion style methods. The van pot's draw down is the result of capillary action, not the major force apparently used by the Trifecta.
IMO, Evan was trying to compare apples with oranges, and I merely suggested he dig deeper in the manual, and as Bill said, Google videos.

BTW, I'm starting to wonder if you 2 guys are connected at the hip.
Any time someone...moderator or not attempts to steer a conversation back to the thread topic, you two guys show up with some sort of put down.
If you don't approve of my methods, take it up with Mark Prince.

I have no horse in this race. I'm just trying to keep the discussion on the Trifecta itself, not comparisons to other brewing methods, other than perhaps TASTE comparisons.

We've seen WAY too many threads dissolve into mush due to off topic posting...like our last 3 posts.
My apologies to the OP, the Bunn rep, and posters.

 
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