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missy_
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Posted Wed Apr 18, 2012, 8:53am
Subject: Re: Cold Brew or Hot Brew? Which one is the superior method?
 

Netphilosopher Said:

Missy, the links you provided are just a fancy way of doing cold brew coffee.  

Most cold brew comments are "acid free", "smoother", "not harsh", "different flavor than any coffee", "reduced acidity", "low pH".  These are basically code for "incomplete extraction."


Here's a video from George Howell about "flash brewing":
http://how2heroes.com/videos/beverages/ultimate-iced-coffee


There's some commentary from Mark Prince about the subject of "cold brewing" back in September last year:
"Thoughts and Theories on Iced Coffee"

and one of the articles he wrote that kicked off some discussion of the whole "cold" vs "hot", "brewing method" vs. "beverage state" and brewing iced coffee with an AeroPress:
"Aeropress Iced Coffee"

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Posted April 18, 2012 link

Netphilosopher, thank you for the education and for the links. :) That was some very interesting reading! :^D Thank you for explaining the terminology as well.

I see that my Amazon links were linking to traditional "cold brew" drip machines, so thank you for correcting my mistake. My link referencing "how to flash brew iced coffee in your drip pot" was a link to a George Howell article. :D And also about using a Chemex, that was covered in Mark Prince's article as well when he linked to Counter Culture Coffee's Peter Guiliano - in that URL the Chemex was mentioned.

There is a lot to learn with all of the terminology and intricacies of cold coffee, "iced coffee," "flash brewed," and cold brewing. It isn't as simple as I thought! It seems I am always learning something new on Coffee Geek! :o

The Aeropress method looks fascinating, and brewing a cup of americano has my mouth watering. Thanks, Netphilosopher and Mark Prince!

 
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Posted Wed Apr 18, 2012, 1:23pm
Subject: Re: Cold Brew or Hot Brew? Which one is the superior method?
 

Netphilosopher Said:

Here's a video from George Howell about "flash brewing":
http://how2heroes.com/videos/beverages/ultimate-iced-coffee

Posted April 18, 2012 link

Been using his method for the last few weeks. Really delicious results.

However, I am super confused about something. With brewing over ice you don't use nearly as much hot water required to make a normal hot brew, and then you are diluting that with almost a third of the entire volume in ice.

How does it make sense then, that people will claim other dilution methods (such as the water left in the bottom of a siphon when not brewing full capacity) do not produce a properly extracted cup?

By pouring so little through the grounds, isn't there a lot of good stuff still left on them when you finish the pour? I don't get it.
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Posted Fri Apr 20, 2012, 7:23am
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I would only use cold brew if stomach problems prevented me from handling the acid in warm-brewed coffee. Cold brew can be more convenient though if you store it as a concentrate, but the idea of pulling coffee out of the fridge never sounded particularly appetizing to me.
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Posted Fri Apr 20, 2012, 1:21pm
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Daniel437 Said:

I would only use cold brew if stomach problems prevented me from handling the acid in warm-brewed coffee. Cold brew can be more convenient though if you store it as a concentrate, but the idea of pulling coffee out of the fridge never sounded particularly appetizing to me.

Posted April 20, 2012 link

I live in a hot climate, so that is why it appealed to me. :) I still want to give it a try at some point and compare it with the "flash brew" methods discussed and taste the difference.

 
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Posted Sat Apr 21, 2012, 7:22pm
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If you're like many (including myself) who feel icky after chugging a ton of acids and extracts in a typical cup of coffee, cold brew is definitely the superior method.  It's still tasty, less bitter, and much easier on the stomach.  Preparing it is also more economical and environmentally friendly than buying a new coffee machine every so often.  Cold brew is even reported to dramatically cut your intake of the cholesterol-raising compounds associated with hot-brew coffee.

If you consider cold-brewing, don't get suckered into buying an expensive carafe setup, either!  A couple of mason jars with a funnel and paper filters works just as well.
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Posted Sat Apr 21, 2012, 7:27pm
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about being able to stomach it, i used to be one of those people that had "stomach" issues when i drank coffee.  even just one cup used to really mess me up and i'd be in the restroom taking care of business for a while.  :P

now...i can drink tons of coffee without issue.  im thinking my body adjusted to it.  i wonder if it has anything to do with the way that i eat now.  ive become a very low carb eater for the last 1.5 years and decided to start drinking coffee because it's one of the few flavored drinks that is fine for me to drink.
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Posted Sun Apr 22, 2012, 10:42am
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I'm sold on the benefits of cold brew but can't seem get the ratio quite right - I'm away at school and don't have a freezer so I can't dilute the brew with ice and end up getting this unreasonably strong drink.  What would be the adjustment factor so that I could get a normal cup of coffee?
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Posted Sun Apr 22, 2012, 12:45pm
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Cold brew can be like hot brew coffee, using full immersion or drip method. Similarly, French press, Abid, or specialized Tiamo or Hario devices can be used.

For home, the Hario Pota or Tiamo HG2604 may be more suitable, due to more compact size. I use another cold drip device from Iwaki, with recipe of 50g coffee in approximately 500g water.

The cold drip method does preserve the terrior flavor of coffee. In fact, because the bitters are less extracted, the beans can be roasted light.  At least in my experience, the typical dry processed berry aroma of Ethiopian coffee is quite pronounced.
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