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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:26am
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

Try looking back at page 57 of this string which talks about alternate methods of handling extreme bloom using less than 200F water pre-soak. I think the bloom issue is with specific coffees only which always have that bloom to deal with. Also, I am noticing, for example, with Sumatras freshly roasted, I have no bloom issues at all (even at the 4 day mark) and now I have people coming to my place to try 'their' coffee in the BraZen which seems to get to the 'sweet spot' of the brewed bean when bloom isn't a factor. All my brews have been at 204 with a slightly courser grind than then the consistency of kosher salt.
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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:53am
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The_Coffee_Guy Said:

All my brews have been at 204 with a slightly courser grind than then the consistency of kosher salt.

Posted November 17, 2012 link

Not sure if you've tried other temp settings, but I'd like to suggest it's worth some experimenting if you haven't.  Just as one example, the beans I'm currently using have a distinct too strong, overextracted taste at 204 on my Brazen.  Using the same grind, pre-soak, and coffee/water ratio I set it down to 203 and all of the bad tastes disappeared.   I was astonished at the difference.  I've now discovered that bean has a completely different, and much more fruity flavor profile at 196.  Much above 200 and virtually all the fruit notes go away.   Obviously we've always had grind and ratio to play with in drip machines, but consistent, controlled temp and pre-soak is a whole new ballgame, and I can attest to how interesting it is to explore that territory.
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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:13am
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

The_Coffee_Guy Said:

Try looking back at page 57 of this string which talks about alternate methods of handling extreme bloom using less than 200F water pre-soak.

Posted November 17, 2012 link

I'll give that a try tomorrow morning, thanks.
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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012, 4:03pm
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What filter are you using? Pre-soak time? Amount of coffee? Type of grinder?
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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012, 4:14pm
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onthemoors Said:

What filter are you using? Pre-soak time? Amount of coffee? Type of grinder?

Posted November 17, 2012 link

Not sure who you were pointing that query to but I am using the gold filter mostly (to get the benefit of the oils in brew), pre soak time of 30 seconds, using the recommended standard measurement of 55 grams per litre of water and a grind setting of 6 on my Barataza Encore grinder
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Posted Sat Nov 17, 2012, 4:48pm
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The_Coffee_Guy Said:

Not sure who you were pointing that query to but I am using the gold filter mostly (to get the benefit of the oils in brew), pre soak time of 30 seconds, using the recommended standard measurement of 55 grams per litre of water and a grind setting of 6 on my Barataza Encore grinder

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Questions were for gil, I duffed that a bit.
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Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 8:04am
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

onthemoors Said:

What filter are you using? Pre-soak time? Amount of coffee? Type of grinder?

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I'm using the gold filter basket that comes with the Brazen, ramped up from 1:00 to 3:00 pre-soak over the course of the three pots that overflowed, and ground in my Baratza Encore. I've been filling the Brazen to its six cup mark and using 65g of coffee.

I'm just about to try the cold/warm manual pre-soak that The_Coffee_Guy pointed out, so let's hope that fixes the issue!
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Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 8:28am
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

If the basket is overflowing that would indicate the filter is clogging from the grounds being quite possibly too fine. Understand the design allows for X flow in with Y out, the only thing that varies is the size of the grind that could alter Y out enough to cause an overflow.

Suggestion- start coarse then go smaller with a pre-soak of 1:20 and 203-204

I have a Baratza Virtuoso and for gold use a 22-24 setting depending upon the coffee. At one point I used 26 but after a trip to Italy decided to try slightly finer.

Hope this helps..

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Posted Sun Nov 18, 2012, 8:54am
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Well, good news! Using infinus' warm pre-soak technique (8 seconds at 120, then start normal brew cycle from there), there was a huge improvement in bloom. In order to challenge the machine to live up to my expectations, I used the same, very bloomy, dry processed Ethiopian Sidamo... except this time from the batch I roasted just last night. The bloom did reach the brew head, but that was with as fine a grind as I prefer (finer than normal drip) in addition to the fresh bloomy coffee.

Overall, I'm happy. With this pre-soak technique, I think the Brazen and I can get along just fine. Thanks again for the good advice, folks.
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Posted Mon Nov 19, 2012, 9:15am
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gilrain Said:

Well, good news! Using infinus' warm pre-soak technique (8 seconds at 120, then start normal brew cycle from there), there was a huge improvement in bloom. In order to challenge the machine to live up to my expectations, I used the same, very bloomy, dry processed Ethiopian Sidamo... except this time from the batch I roasted just last night. The bloom did reach the brew head, but that was with as fine a grind as I prefer (finer than normal drip) in addition to the fresh bloomy coffee.

Overall, I'm happy. With this pre-soak technique, I think the Brazen and I can get along just fine. Thanks again for the good advice, folks.

Posted November 18, 2012 link

Even though your initial comparison/expectation was apples/oranges vs. a vac pot, it sounds like you're now getting at least as good results from the BraZen (& no overflows)?
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