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Posted Wed Apr 25, 2012, 8:19pm
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wgering Said:

One question about stovetop models: I imagine you need a heat diffuser of some type (glass on burner seems like a bad idea...). Would a normal high-density (read: cast-iron) skillet work, or are there better ways? I had a thought about using a hot-water bath too...

Posted April 24, 2012 link

I have the same question, as I also have an electric stove with regular electric burners. If I were to get a vacuum / siphon pot, can it be placed directly on the burner or does it need an adapter of some sort?

Thanks. :)

 
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Posted Thu Apr 26, 2012, 6:49am
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The rule of thumb is that a gas burner is no problem but electric "burners" need diffuser plates.

I have a gas cook top and have no problem with a glass brewer on it but if I were to use a coil type electric element, I would use a diffuser plate.

Yes a cast iron pan will work as a diffuser but it will be very slow to respond to temp changes and you need to drop the temp when you move from the heating phase to the holding phase.

 
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Posted Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:54pm
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calblacksmith Said:

The rule of thumb is that a gas burner is no problem but electric "burners" need diffuser plates.

I have a gas cook top and have no problem with a glass brewer on it but if I were to use a coil type electric element, I would use a diffuser plate.

Yes a cast iron pan will work as a diffuser but it will be very slow to respond to temp changes and you need to drop the temp when you move from the heating phase to the holding phase.

Posted April 26, 2012 link

Thank you. :)

I like a gas stove, but there is no gas available to my home unless I want to pay a fairly large amount of $ to have it dug to my yard.

I also like the videos of the siphon pots I've seen with the butane burners underneath them; they are very beautiful to watch, although if one did that every day I would think that would get to be expensive after awhile.

 
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Posted Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:50pm
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Chang94598 Said:

Depending on which Hario hand grinder, there are modifications

Orphanespresso sells a kit here:
Click Here (www.orphanespresso.com)

Posted April 24, 2012 link

I do indeed have a Hario Skerton. Anyone have any experience with this modification? I was considering having a friend of mine machine a longer rod for the burr mechanism so that it could extend down to seat in the collection pot (via a flange epoxied to the bottom) to cut down the wobble, but this seems a lot easier.
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Posted Sat Apr 28, 2012, 2:14pm
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I have the modification and it works well.

The bottom glass jar of the Hario Skerton has the same thread as the common 99c canning jars and can be used for cupping directly.
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Posted Sat Apr 28, 2012, 2:30pm
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wgering Said:

Also also, is there a significant advantage / disadvantage to stovetop- vs. burner-type pots? I could easily snag a Bunsen burner from the lab, but a stovetop model would be a little less in violation of my lease terms (my apartment building has some rather strict rules regarding open flames).

Posted April 24, 2012 link

I've never used a stovetop but had a Yama.  The alcohol flame is a joke so an upgrade to a butane burner is a must.  After getting that it was a joy to use (past tense because my kid bumped the thing once and the upper chamber shattered - common occurrence with these)

The reason is that you need to have some sort of temp control for the water.  High temp at first to get to boil and then you  need to back off to maintain a fairly constant temp but not too high heat when you keep the water in the upper chamber.  If it goes up too fast it can be a problem to control the brewing process.  

Uneven particle size may be an issue but it'll be miles better than the whirly blade.  There are plenty of variables to master with this - dose, steep time, water temperature, how hard/when to mix - let alone the #1 issue is which beans to throw in there.
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Posted Sun Apr 29, 2012, 8:21pm
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clumeng Said:

I've never used a stovetop but had a Yama.  The alcohol flame is a joke so an upgrade to a butane burner is a must.

Posted April 28, 2012 link



This is good to know; thanks!

 
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Posted Sun Apr 29, 2012, 9:52pm
Subject: Re: Entry-level vac pots / burr grinders
 

+1 on the Yama 5 cup (my go-to most every morning) on the gas range.
+1 on the cory-rod instead of the cloth filter.  Much better mouthfeel, body and cup.  But, cory-rod can be really sensitive to grind.
+1 on the Barataza Virtuoso to get the grind right.

I have a Kyocera ceramic mill, but have not used it for the vacpot.

One note for coryrod users.  Darker roasts can result in more fines in a given grind.  I find to keep the vacpot from stalling, I have to click up 3-4 clicks on the Virtuoso for a darker roast.

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