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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 6:59pm
Subject: Fully automatic coffee machine that produces french press quality coffee?
 

Long story short, several years ago, I tasted the quality flavor and smoothness that french press coffee is. There is nothing else like it. Since that time, I have pretty much been a snob. A pressed coffee snob. I can barely drink anything else.

My boss showed me her super automatic Jura F7. That thing was sweet, and produced decent coffee. It was no coffee press, but coffee was pretty good, and even better, it did EVERYTHING for you. Coffee in less than a minute, and does all the work. Even the clean up.

So, I tried one for myself. I spent $700+ on a certified refurb. The thing was beautiful. And, everything worked wonderfully. Coffee in less than a minute. However, no matter what combination I tried (different beans, grind size, grind amount, water amount, etc), the coffee always came out sub par. Not only was it not pressed coffee flavor and smoothness, it wasn't even close. Even though I had fallen in love with this machine, with it unable to produce something close, I had to return it. This was a couple years ago.

Recently, I've really wanted to try something fully automatic like that. From start to finish, something that brews on demand, quickly, and cleans up. AND, has great flavor. I've not been able to find any great reviews, nor can I find any place that allows you to try coffee from these types of machines.

What I'd like to find out is whether there are any machines that are capable of producing really rich and flavorful coffee, something close to what pressed coffee tastes like. I know I will never get the exact same thing out of a machine since it is an entirely different brewing method, but trying to get closer than the Jura I tried before. Maybe I just had a bad machine, or maybe i'm getting too picky. Anyone have any suggestions?
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Posted Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:47pm
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Posted Sat Oct 13, 2012, 3:12am
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Not fully automatic, but worth a close look.

"Bunn Trifecta MB Owners' Thread"

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Posted Sat Oct 13, 2012, 8:05am
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So, Dan . . . keep in mind that a Jura is a super-auto espresso maker, and -- if you truly love espresso -- they fail miserably.

I'm not sure why one would pay the extra for an automated "French Press", when a "real" (manual) press is significantly less and (probably) does a much better job, but certainly the machine mentioned by outrigger is one option.

Then again, I've no doubt the Bunn Trifecta is a better, albeit more expensive, option.

 
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 9:58am
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Not trying to be rude...but I have a feeling that the only reason you feel like you're a "pressed coffee snob" is because you haven't ventured out and tried much else. There is a vast array of delicious coffee brewing options that, in my opinion, far surpass the French press.
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:12am
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EvanOz85 Said:

Not trying to be rude...but I have a feeling that the only reason you feel like you're a "pressed coffee snob" is because you haven't ventured out and tried much else.

Posted October 14, 2012 link

Amen!

 
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 1:37pm
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Fair enough. So, I've had pressed coffee, drip coffee (yuck), percolator coffee, and coffee generated through an expresso machine using pressure extraction (e.g. Jura). What other methods out there are there that are good/better? I've also never tried a vacuum pot
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 3:53pm
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With all due respect . . .

First of all, if you say "yuck" to pourover (drip), then you haven't had properly-made pourover.  (On the other hand, if you had said "yuck" after the word percolator, I don't think anyone would argue.)  

Secondly:  a) the word is "espresso" (with an "s"); b) "Jura" is another word after which you could say "yuck," and very few would argue.

Third, a partial list of preparation methods for coffee would include (in alphabetical order):
  • campfire/"cowboy" coffee
  • Clover® (and similar automatic immersion/press)
  • cold brew
  • espresso (Note:  some maintain there is a distinct difference between a manual machine, and an espresso shot pulled with a semi-or full-auto; this doesn't even begin to get into the debate of how the taste is affected between flat and conical burr sets)
  • espresso (made by a super-automatic)
  • espresso (made using pods or other pre-packaged source)
  • French press
  • ice brew
  • instant (including those silly hybrid tea bags)
  • immersion (manual)
  • K-cups®
  • Moka pot (including so-called "steam toys")
  • Nespresso®
  • percolator
  • pourover (automatic drip)
  • pourover (manual drip)
  • siphon (also called "vacuum")
  • Toddy
  • Vietnamese-style drip
  • etc., etc., etc.

 
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:00pm
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captamerica Said:

Long story short, several years ago, I tasted the quality flavor and smoothness that french press coffee is. There is nothing else like it. Since that time, I have pretty much been a snob. A pressed coffee snob. I can barely drink anything else.

My boss showed me her super automatic Jura F7. That thing was sweet, and produced decent coffee. It was no coffee press, but coffee was pretty good, and even better, it did EVERYTHING for you. Coffee in less than a minute, and does all the work. Even the clean up.

So, I tried one for myself. I spent $700+ on a certified refurb. The thing was beautiful. And, everything worked wonderfully. Coffee in less than a minute. However, no matter what combination I tried (different beans, grind size, grind amount, water amount, etc), the coffee always came out sub par. Not only was it not pressed coffee flavor and smoothness, it wasn't even close. Even though I had fallen in love with this machine, with it unable to produce something close, I had to return it. This was a couple years ago.

Recently, I've really wanted to try something fully automatic like that. From start to finish, something that brews on demand, quickly, and cleans up. AND, has great flavor. I've not been able to find any great reviews, nor can I find any place that allows you to try coffee from these types of machines.

What I'd like to find out is whether there are any machines that are capable of producing really rich and flavorful coffee, something close to what pressed coffee tastes like. I know I will never get the exact same thing out of a machine since it is an entirely different brewing method, but trying to get closer than the Jura I tried before. Maybe I just had a bad machine, or maybe i'm getting too picky. Anyone have any suggestions?

Posted October 12, 2012 link


Ummm, I'm not trying to be rude, but (& with all due respect) welcome to CG!  It only gets better from here!  I've had good luck so far with the vacuum pot, but I kind of regret not going with something a little more convenient after a year of wiping messy/loose grind cleanups on a daily basis.  Not so bad that I resorted back to the auto dripper, but still-  I like your idea of FULLY automated.  Everything's a trade off though.  Maybe sacrifice a little convenience for something that will satisfy your snobbery!

Good luck!
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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 5:34am
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Let's stir in a bit of technical 'snobbery':

If you don't know the temperature of the water or the age of the 'bloom', you can't make drip coffee...
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