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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 1:48pm
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Interesting.  I've never thought of the Aeropress as a way to get more efficiency out of the coffee beans that I buy. I use the aeropress to give me more pleasure out of the coffee.  I actually tend to think (without testing this, mind) that I'm using a bit more coffee grounds for a similar amount of resultant coffee because I'm using these somewhat larger scoops and somewhat cooler water and not steeping very long.  I've always assumed I'm extracting just the "best" part of the bean at that temperature, and that I'm leaving some stuff behind, but I'm willing to pay that price.  

If I was looking for maximum efficiency I'd be using smaller scoops and hotter water, I guess. But as inexpensive as the Aeropress is compared with other brewing toys, I think of it as a relatively luxurious approach to coffee.
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 5:45pm
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Regarding efficiency.

I've posted words to this effect before, but I'd like to repeat them again.

In the early days of the AeroPress I brewed with about 16% extraction.  I thought that was the key to low bitterness and was quite happy with this relatively low efficiency.

As the years went on, I learned to press gently which allowed me to use finer grinds.  I found that I was running at 20% extraction for my standard 2-scoop morning cup.  I thought "great - this is the optimum extraction".

But a few years later, I found that with a single scoop I can use the finest grind I can get.  I'm still stirring for 10 seconds and using 175F water, but my extraction runs about 25%.  And it's still not bitter.  I usually heap the scoop a bit -- for about 13 to 14 grams of grind.  That's enough to brew a 1.25% TDS "Gold Cup" with about 8 oz of brew.  So I'm running at a water/coffee ratio of about 17.  

I've concluded that there's no harm in 25% extraction, if temperature and time are still moderate.

Best,

Alan
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 9:41pm
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may I ask for suggestions for good mugs that are suitable for use directly under the Aeropress during the pressing?

I thought the Bodum Double Walled glass mugs/cups are too delicate.

should I just use a white Crate & Barrel 16 oz mug?

trying to look for options but their diameters can't be too big because otherwise, the Aeropress will fall into the mug during the pressing.

thanks.
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 9:48pm
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I have one coffee cup that is just tight enough so that the aeropress cap gets stuck in it after pressing (and has to be twisted out the right direction). I have a LOT of coffee mugs, even some big ones, but none of them are too big for the AP.
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:24pm
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AlanAdler Said:

Regarding efficiency.
I've concluded that there's no harm in 25% extraction, if temperature and time are still moderate.

Posted April 21, 2013 link

Interesting judgment. Ian Bersten might nod assent.   ;-)

Has anyone done a study on how different extraction percentages cup at different temperatures?
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:36pm
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MarkPrince Said:

There's no way to say this without being snippy, but here goes: Alan, I thought you quit this website back in 2009? But regardless, welcome back, and it'll be interesting to view your future postings and contributions.

However, please note, if there is any outright promotion of the Aeropress in these forums by you, it will result in a strike and I've instructed the moderators to keep an eye on things. You are welcome, of course, to support the CoffeeGeek website by becoming a paid advertiser. Considering how much promotion and exposure your product got in its early days in our forums, not to mention the problems it caused me with a few other advertisers, it'd be very welcome.

Regards

Mark

Posted April 20, 2013 link

Argh. Not sure how to say this without being snippy . . .    ;-)

Alan's not responsible for those other advertisers' refusal to spend a lot of their own time helping users of whatever they're advertising in this forum. Alan's willing to spend it. Will that increase sales of his product? Probably. That's what happens when the person responsible for a product supports its users in a friendly way. At some point, it just doesn't make sense to call such friendly support borderline advertising. The USERS will be the first ones to protest.

Disclosure: I make not a dime from defending Alan's participation in this forum. I have no stock in Aeropress. I don't give a rip about advertisers. I DO care about your griefs with them, since you offer a great web site, Mark, and you have lines to draw and consistency to honor. But c'mon -- Alan's been nothing but a constant civil help to folks. Even in the days of the Grand Espresso Controversy, he was simply arguing his point of view. In fact, I think a case could be made that his iconoclastic approach to the question made any notion that he was advertising in-thread implausible. He was offending everyone with the integrity of a man who believes what he's saying, damn the customers.    ;-)
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Posted Mon Apr 22, 2013, 6:40am
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rasqual Said:

Argh. Not sure how to say this without being snippy . . .    ;-)

Alan's not responsible for those other advertisers' refusal to spend a lot of their own time helping users of whatever they're advertising in this forum. Alan's willing to spend it. Will that increase sales of his product? Probably. That's what happens when the person responsible for a product supports its users in a friendly way. At some point, it just doesn't make sense to call such friendly support borderline advertising. The USERS will be the first ones to protest.

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I have to definitely agree with this. Alan's responses have always been extremely helpful to the discussions at hand without pushing his product. He is the epitome of great customer relations. I could only wish for such interaction with other products that I own. I realize this is your site Mark and you have to keep a happy relationship with your advertisers, but I hope you can see the value that this brings to the discussion.

If I felt that Alan was starting to promote instead of offering help as he has, I would be less inclined to follow this post as I have for the last seven years (has it really been that long, I had to look it up).

Vince
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