Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 1:57pm Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
I have had a Technivorm for 3 years and I love it! It makes the morning coffee on weekdays when I have to get up and out! It's on auto pilot. I don't need to fiddle around adjusting. I know my roaster and I grind my beans the same way each time. I had to play around at first to get the quantity of beans and grind just right (I measure the weight on a digital scale that I accuracy check every 6 months), but, now it's all "automatic". I am sure that if I had a Brazen I would have had a few more variables to "sort out", but, on the whole I am "happy" with the Technivorm. It brews a great tasting cup of "joe". I am sure that the brazen would allow more variables, but, I am not willing to toss my Technivorm as I don't have the $$$ or counter space to compare 2 or more machines. The Technivorm gives a consistent temp (I check it from time to time with the Thermopen) and thus, a very consistent cup.
As to the efficacy of the review by Gail and her "partner-in-crime" (humor not a barb) I choose to view the videos from them as part of the decision making process not the final word. They have admitted from time to time that they aren't the only source of information. I find their videos helpful. But I also view other videos (e.g. the "Whole Latte Love" videos)
On the wekends, and when I feel the need to experiment, I play with the French Press. That's where the techniques come in to play (IMHO). Thermopen instant read thermometer timers etc. Pre-wets etc etc.
Alas, My espresso machine has "Ceased to be" (my apologies to Monty Python's Flying Circus). So as soon as I recover from replacing my grinder (also "ceased to be" lmao). I will buy a new espresso machine.
My experiments should then be more fun and numerous lol.
But, in closing, I think that there are always going to be devotees of each brand of machine. I believe that is why there are these forums for a discussion of the salient points of different machines.
And, I am sure that we all agree to disagree from time to time without personal attacks.
This forum has more good info than any other forum that I know of!
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IMAWriter Senior Member Joined: 4 Jul 2002 Posts: 5,464 Location: Brentwood, TN Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Nothing at the moment Grinder: Vario-W,Preciso-Esatto/KyM... Vac Pot: Adcraft SS, Yama 8 cup Drip: Brazen.Chemex, Hario, Clever... Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 3:37pm Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
Dave, thanks for a very thoughtful posting. I loved my technivorm, but as you say, ALAS, the carafe broke, and I decided to go another way...BunnSTX. Fun, fast, and overall pretty good. The BraZen, however is in another league, but truth is, the TV, Bonavita, BraZen, etc go WAY above the ordinary Target coffee maker. Hope to see more of your postings.
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 5:09pm Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
this was posted on SweetMarias forum:
"The last 400 pots of coffee I've brewed have been with the Yama Coffee Siphon. I have it dialed in to a brew that everyone loves. Takes more time, mess, clean up, but hey, it is worth it. So when the Behmor Brazen came out (at a very reasonable price and a lot of great features) I wanted to give drip brew a shot. Didn't really think it would come that close and, at 6,000 feet altitude, a lot of variables.
Took me just a few pots to come as close as I think is possible. And I mean REAL close. It's awesome.
I use rinsed paper filters, coffee ground just a tad finer than Kosher salt, 1:20 pre-soak time, exactly the same amount of coffee I use in my siphon, 199 degrees brewing temperature (water boils at 200 degrees at my altitude) and voila! I am SOLD on this thing!
I cannot rave enough about the Brazen. Best purchase I've made - next to SM green coffee beans, of course."
yakster Senior Member Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 1,006 Location: San Jose, CA Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Gaggia Factory / La Peppina... Grinder: Vario / Kyocera Vac Pot: Yama 8 + Pyrex Lox-in Rod Drip: Brazen / Kalita / Chemex /... Roaster: Behmor
Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 5:21pm Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
You are in the unique position of having tried quite a few machines too. I would be interested in your take on the Brazen vs the Bunn Trifecta home - these machines are probably an "either or" choice for most since it would cost over $700 retail to try both. Since these represent a new level of built in "tweakabilty" (did I invent a new word?) for auto brewing your informed comments would be most welcome!
I'm not jbviau, but I've had cups from other's Bunn Trifecta Home compared to a vac pot and cups from my own Brazen. I don't really compare the Trifecta to the Brazen since one is by the cup and the other by the pot, but I think that they both make great coffee. The home Trifecta doesn't have all the programmability and control of the commercial verison, but I'm not sure that matters all that much.
I went with the Brazen because I have to supply four coffee drinkers with their morning cup.
I did recently try a Napoletana (Flip Pot) brewer and it was fun to play with and I loved the retro look, but not wild about the coffee it produced.
Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 7:44pm Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
I *am* jbviau, and I approve the above message! ;)
Right, it's not an easy comparison, but the Brazen does apparently have a manual release mode that you can use to brew a single cup. Sadly, I didn't get around to testing that mode when I had the chance with the GCBC road show unit because I was distracted by the road show Yama siphon that arrived the day before the Brazen did. First-world problems...
Here's what I've posted elsewhere:
Prior to [the Brazen's] arrival, it had been quite a while since I'd brewed a full pot of drip coffee. Consequently, I can't compare the Brazen to a Technivorm or really any other even-close-to-similar machine. However, I feel I can say the following with certainty:
- Temp. control makes a difference in the cup. For example, coffee that seemed borderline "too strong" to family members became much more to their liking when I did nothing else aside from knock a few degrees off of the brew temp. for pot #2.
- The Brazen makes good coffee. I wasn't getting the flavor separation I'm used to when brewing with the Trifecta MB (or a siphon), but I was happy enough with what I drank, and I'm certain I would have been able to do better if I'd fussed around even more with the various settings and possibly lightened up my doses; full-immersion-style habits die hard, you know?!
- The metal filter worked extremely well, in my opinion. *Very* little sediment makes it through the mesh. I didn't feel any urge to reach for a paper filter. - Fairly intuitive controls. - Looked better (and smaller) on the counter than I'd expected.
- As documented elsewhere, the carafe is an issue. The first cup or two of a full pot pour well for me, but after that it's slow and dribbly. If I were to buy one of these for myself, I'd probably hope/try to use a different carafe altogether. - Also well-documented: drippage post-basket removal. I could get used to this, but it's an annoyance. - Noisy buttons. Beep beep beep beep beep.
In sum, if I were in the market for a drip brewer, despite the niggles pointed out above there's no doubt this would be #1 on my list. I might be tempted to take a "wait and see" approach though in case any updates are planned.
Posted Tue Nov 27, 2012, 12:11am Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
+1 yakster and jbviau! Thanks for sharing your informed impressions comparing these brewers. I like my vac pot coffee too even though I am new to this style. As for the Trifecta, I came away very impressed by this machine.
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
TheBigDripper Senior Member Joined: 5 Jun 2012 Posts: 42 Location: Texas Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Bialetti 6-cup moka pot Grinder: Vintage Zassenhaus Drip: Too many too list
Posted Sat Dec 1, 2012, 7:55am Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
Best auto-drip in the world: the Braun KF-12 4-cup. Mine is going on 7 years, and brews the best cup (out the spout at 200 degrees through a gold mesh filter). Too bad they were discontinued back in '06.
redkiosk Senior Member Joined: 13 May 2012 Posts: 156 Location: Chicago Metro Area Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Illy Francis-Francis X1 Grinder: Baratza Preciso w/ Esatto... Vac Pot: Someday, very intriguing Drip: Bunn Trifecta MB Roaster: A sure path to divorce!
Posted Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:04am Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
Speaking of Brauns', our old KF-600 10-cup made a pretty good cup. Purchased it in 2006 and used it everyday up to this past May when I got the Trifecta MB. My daughter has it at college now and it's still brewing up a storm. Take care!
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