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VKirby
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
 

this might have been funny had the Brazen been released in the 90's, but I'll rerun it anyway:

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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 6:03pm
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EvanOz85 Said:

As someone who has seen every single one of their videos, I have to say that they pretty much know nothing about how to properly make a cup of coffee. You WOULD think that with their popular business and "fame" that they would be experts. But I mean..just a few months ago they gave a "review" of the Chemex using V60 filters! They didn't even know that Chemex filters are what makes the Chemex method special.

And don't get me started on Gail's version of the pour-over. Ever seen her pre-infusion? She likes to use the "slightly wet the very top of the center of the grounds while leaving everything completely high and dry method". A scale? Pshh...who needs one when you can EYE it as well as she does?

I'm not trying to rag on them since I DO enjoy their videos...but it should be obvious to any coffee enthusiast after watching a few of their videos that they have no interest in researching their products and how to use them properly.

Posted November 15, 2012 link

To be fair, Tom Owen suggests using the V60 filters with a Chemex here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-NdnGS1XvU
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Best auto drip brewer on the market?
 

Yes but they were reviewing it as the CHEMEX BREWING SYSTEM. They did not review it as "Chemex using Hario filters" which would have made all the diffence. They reviewed it as the Chemex brewer, and did not have the slightest clue they messed up until they were torn apart in the comments for it. They then released a second video using the actual Chemex filters, and still managed to do it improperly by not placing the layered side of the filter over the spout.

Original video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMj1RWbB1JU&feature=plcp
Second video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO6L9PXrBcs&feature=plcp
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 8:31pm
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DexD Said:

This is how EricBNC sets up the thread (please note the first sentence). He is then offended that people are calling him out on the fact that SCG testing cannot even begin to set "out to find the answer" because of the obvious, glaring and fatal flaw in the methodology and is now a step short of labeling everyone who points out the obvious as a Brazen 'shill'. Where exactly did EricBNC think this thread was going to go? Pointing out that the test as it was set up cannot meaningfully go about comparing the different brewers is hardly demanding the standards of a scientific journal.

Note: I do not own any of the brewers on the list.

Posted November 15, 2012 link

Dex, you use logic to explain Eric's obvious bias and spiker for a conclusion he desired being the golden ring and the video doesn't speak kindly of Seattle Coffee Gear's credibility either.
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 8:43pm
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Again with the "spiker." I really hope it's not a synonym for "erection."
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 8:49pm
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jbviau Said:

Again with the "spiker." I really hope it's not a synonym for "erection."

Posted November 15, 2012 link

It is and explains why he's not using his brains to see the obvious and what all others are seeing, the video was a sham production. Eric would rather label others as fan boys rather than see his error. Problem with admitting the error, he'd then be admitting he was blinded by the conclusion.
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Posted Thu Nov 15, 2012, 10:37pm
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I looked up Boneco and came up with air filters ... what up with that?

Len

Posted November 15, 2012 link

It is a manual brew system (so it really doesn't count in this thread) that was designed in Switzerland and sold over here back in the late 80's - early 90's. It has a flat bottom and a very fine mesh filter. I found one still in the box for a couple bucks at a local thrift. The filter brews as fine as a paper filter - over 2 million holes in the 18/8 steel mesh if the LA Times write up is correct:

Click Here (articles.latimes.com)

It makes a decent cup and you can add all the water at once so finesse is not required - a very simple design really. : )

Here is a link to the H-B Thread with larger photos and more details: Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

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I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 7:45am
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EricBNC Said:

I mean, except for having an extremely successful and popular business selling coffee related gear what do they know?

Posted November 15, 2012 link

By this logic, the Keurig is probably the "best" brewer out there. K-cups must naturally also have the "best" coffee.
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:50am
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onthemoors Said:

It is and explains why he's not using his brains to see the obvious and what all others are seeing, the video was a sham production. Eric would rather label others as fan boys rather than see his error. Problem with admitting the error, he'd then be admitting he was blinded by the conclusion.

Posted November 15, 2012 link

"Spiker"?  New word for wood in thesaurus?

God this thread is getting ridiculous.

Len

 
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Posted Fri Nov 16, 2012, 3:41pm
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Let's get this thread back on track - SCG tries product before offering it for sale. The business is large and successful. The face on the internet might be Kat and Gail, but there is a larger mostly invisible staff as well. The four brewers are all available for sale from their store. Anyone with a credit card, time, and inclination can repeat their test to confirm or dispute their results.

In blind tasting using Velton's Twilight Blend - a coffee they are very familiar with - Gail like the cup produced by the Technivorm best. She Also remarks how hot it is. She likes the cup from the Thermal Bonavita as next best. The glass carafe version would have been a more "apples to apples" test, but that is a subject for another thread. The YouBrew by Breville came in third while the Behmor Brazen came in 4th place.

Likely all four machines are quite capable of making great coffee. The Breville and the Technivorm cost almost $300 while the Bonavita and the Behmor sell for less than $200. any conclusion about the test methodology is something to take up with SCG or something to discuss in another thread.

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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