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jpender
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Posted Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:31am
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

My favorite means of brew water temperature control is elevation. I think the sweet spot, where rapidly boiling water straight from the pot into the Aeropress is perfect, is 6000-8000 feet. Of course if I were Alan Adler I'd prefer coffee brewed this way at about 20,000 feet instead.

I wait a little while for my brew, depending on the grind I've chosen. That's part of the 5:25 I quoted above. But with a super fine grind you don't have to wait... so are there Aeropress speed championships? Is there a world record? Fastest cup in the west?
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Posted Tue Apr 9, 2013, 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Ok, so I have modelled and am now in the process of prototyping a single piece that rather elegantly holds all the aeropress parts together without adding complexity. With this, you can just chuck your Aeropress into your backpack without worrying that you're missing the paddle, scoop, filters, or the bottom cap.

First question: Again, would any of you guys be interested in trying this thing out? Once I have some prototypes I would love to see what you guys think, and see if the idea is just for us coffeegeeks or something bigger.

Second question: I design conceptual aircraft, so designing this stuff is fun as heck for me because it's WAY less serious and allows me to be much more creative. Is there anything else that you guys would like to see made for the Aeropress, or any other coffee paraphernalia? Does anything piss you off about the coffee process (other than running out of coffee beans... can't help you there!)

Regards,
Colin

PS. Alan if you're listening, what would your thoughts be on letting someone else create a larger AeroPress? I see your patent is still active, but I also have not seen you respond with any interest to making a larger Aeropress. Is it that you're simply not interested in paying for all the new mold tooling to be made?
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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 6:59am
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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 9:43am
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Netphilosopher Said:

A separator filter can turn the aeropress into a forced percolation column brewer.  I just use a filter with a plastic clip ring, but occasionally it doesn't hold the filter on top and I end up with an infusion brew anyway.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

I'm not sure I understand this process.  Would you be willing to outline the steps and the benefit/differences of forced percolation vs. infusion?

Netphilosopher Said:

Somewhere back in this thread, I asked about an AeroPress XL.  Needs to support a brew ratio of 12 with ability to produce a full "Grande" or 450g.  This means the brew chamber would need to be about 500-525ml in volume to support bloom and infusion, etc.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

+1 on this!

Netphilosopher Said:

Speaking of coffee production, a "flush adapter" would be nice.  I don't like pressing on and wetting my funnel (one potential work around) but it would be nice to have an "outer adapter" so that one could press say 350ml into a 375ml mug without the filter cap ending up in the coffee.  My CCD, for example, can drip into a coffee cup almost to the rim.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

+1 on this too!

Netphilosopher Said:

It's a great brewer, but there's always potentials for improvement.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

Couldn't agree more.
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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 2:56pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Some great ideas, let me respond to each one:

Netphilosopher Said:

Sure, I have a couple of ideas.

A separator filter can turn the aeropress into a forced percolation column brewer.  I just use a filter with a plastic clip ring, but occasionally it doesn't hold the filter on top and I end up with an infusion brew anyway.

Combined with that, if the plunger had a one way valve, and I suppose a secondary piston, then instead of one straight plunge, one could "pump" water in smaller bits through the coffee bed.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

I think I understand how you're doing this, the question to me is why would you not want full immersion brewing? I'm fairly new to coffee (only been drinking in the last 3 years or so), and I've never used a percolator.

From a design standpoint it sounds like what you're asking for is fairly easy to accomplish. Is this something that you prefer over a normal AP press?

Netphilosopher Said:

Somewhere back in this thread, I asked about an AeroPress XL.  Needs to support a brew ratio of 12 with ability to produce a full "Grande" or 450g.  This means the brew chamber would need to be about 500-525ml in volume to support bloom and infusion, etc.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

Totally love this idea. I'm eager to find out if Alan would be okay with me producing an AP XL of sorts, but the existence of his patent suggests he would not, and I respect that. Maybe he'd be willing to license the design, although I don't think I would be able/willing to afford it.

Netphilosopher Said:

Speaking of coffee production, a "flush adapter" would be nice.  I don't like pressing on and wetting my funnel (one potential work around) but it would be nice to have an "outer adapter" so that one could press say 350ml into a 375ml mug without the filter cap ending up in the coffee.  My CCD, for example, can drip into a coffee cup almost to the rim.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

What a great suggestion! I didn't even notice this problem, but I struggle with the APs dimensions in a different way: my commuter mug is too narrow to allow the bottom of the AP to sit "inside" it. Maybe I could create an adapter that solved both of these problems? Is anyone else here finding that attractive? I could sketch something up in 3D and see how it looks.

Netphilosopher Said:

It's a great brewer, but there's always potentials for improvement.

Posted April 10, 2013 link

Absolutely agree. In fact, I think the fact that I'm not trying to reinvent the brewer demonstrates how good the Aeropress is. It's a great brewer, but relatively unrefined. Thanks for the suggestions!

Any other takers? What annoys you about brewing/using an AeroPress?
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AlanAdler
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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Serendipity and AeroPress

serendipity (noun)
the accidental discovery of something pleasant, valuable, or useful

I gave a talk about coffee and AeroPress at Google Headquarters a few weeks ago.  I talked about serendipity and the AeroPress -- good things that were not in the original plan.  

Examples:  
  • The extra-fine filtration provided by the puck and its contribution to clean taste

  • The self cleaning chamber

But I forgot perhaps the most serendipitous thing of all, the spontaneous birth of the culture of AeroPress hackers and championships.

Six years ago, Tim Wendelboe in Norway invented "The World AeroPress Championship".  He held it in his café in Oslo two successive years.  Since then it's been in London, Milan, Portland, and this May - Melbourne Australia.  Judging is blind and entirely on taste.

The U.S. Championships will be at the SCAA in Boston this Friday afternoon.  I'll be there.  If any of you make it to SCAA, please say hello.

Here's a video about the recent Belgian AeroPress Championship.  Like me, you probably won't understand a word, but it's fun to watch regardless.

Click Here (www.humo.be)

Best regards,

Alan
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calblacksmith
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Posted Thu Apr 11, 2013, 6:26am
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Alan, have you noticed,

FIVE AND A HALF MILLION VIEWS OF THIS THREAD

Just an interesting observation of myself this morning, carry on. :D

 
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Posted Fri Apr 12, 2013, 9:00am
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Great video Alan.

What I like about the Aeropress is its simplicity & versatility. It's the Volkswagen of the coffee world. The people's brewer ;-) It can be used to make top notch coffee easily & with minimal cost. It's loved by coffee snobs, pro baristas, & laymen alike.

I bought my first Aeropress & hand grinder so I could have a decent cup while working at some remote location s where the cafeterias serve only disgusting Doeuw Egberts sludge from a machine. My co worker, who usually drank Folgers, liked the coffee I made so much that he bought an Aeropress himself. He's never going to spend thousands on an espresso machine, but he's now buying fresh roasted beans & using one of my old grinders & the Aeropress.

It's always the first coffee maker I recommend & I've subsequently bought several as gifts for friends & family.

There's no real point to my post, just some unabashed Aeropress luvin'. :-)

Thanks for the great coffee Alan.
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Posted Fri Apr 12, 2013, 3:00pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

AlanAdler Said:

The finest setting on my grinder produces 7 ounces of Gold Standard brew per scoop with no compromise on flavor.  I heap the scoop slightly (13-14 grams) and brew an 8 ounce mug.

I'm still using our recommended 175F water temperature, but this fine grind delivers 24% extraction.  I filled the water to "2.5" on the chamber, then added hot water to the pressed concentrate for a total of 8 ounces.

Best regards,

Alan

Posted April 6, 2013 link

So you're using the finest setting (1 on the Virtuoso) and can get by with only 1 heaped scoop. Is this still only about 10 seconds of steep time?
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