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Posted Fri Dec 21, 2012, 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

I've brewed about 80 batches in the BraZen since October 4th and I haven't seen this issue either.  Most of may batches are filled to the 900 ml line with softened water using 50 grams of coffee.

 
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Posted Fri Dec 21, 2012, 7:37pm
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I had that the problem as you. I would brew a full pot of coffee and the reservoir would not empty. It would shut off as if the Brazen had completed a brew cycle. I tried it with a half pot of coffee. I had the same problem. My Brazen was exchanged for another unit. So far all is well.
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Posted Fri Dec 21, 2012, 8:23pm
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Thanks, I appreciate the responses.

Will perform a drain test tomorrow to see if the problem is consistent.
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 8:03am
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OK.... Performed drain test.

It took 2min 30 sec to go from full 8 cup line (exactly) to calibration line.

The reservoir did not empty completely as it timed out at 4 min
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 8:14am
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TK2FAST Said:

The reservoir did not empty completely as it timed out at 4 min

Posted December 22, 2012 link

How much water was left?  I believe all units leave some water in the bottom of the reservoir, mostly due to condensation.  Mine probably leaves 2-3 tablespoons.
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 8:35am
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Found the problem and I don't like it.

Even though this has only been used for about 5 weeks I cleaned as directed in user manual and did the drain test again. This time it drained completely in 3 min.

What I found... This machine has a micro screen in the drain hole just before the drain valve. It looks like and is very susceptible to the slightest mineral buildup. This is a little unnerving to me as I thought these machines were more thoroughly tested. They were probably tested with distilled water. The user manual says fill with drinking water. I live in Phoenix Arizona and I will now have to clean after every 40 pots brewed.
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 8:37am
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The amount of water left was at least an inch. I am not expecting it to be bone dry and understand that an ounce of water would be ok.
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 8:41am
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TK2FAST Said:

Found the problem and I don't like it.

Even though this has only been used for about 5 weeks I cleaned as directed in user manual and did the drain test again. This time it drained completely in 3 min.

What I found... This machine has a micro screen in the drain hole just before the drain valve. It looks like and is very susceptible to the slightest mineral buildup. This is a little unnerving to me as I thought these machines were more thoroughly tested. They were probably tested with distilled water. The user manual says fill with drinking water. I live in Phoenix Arizona and I will now have to clean after every 40 pots brewed.

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Good to know.  How did you clean it?
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:53am
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

Used vinegar solution for 5 minutes and then ran warm water through with manual release. It just seems that the surface area of the micro screen is the size of a pencil eraser and because of that is prone to clogging. Just my take on it.
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Posted Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:42pm
Subject: Re: Now we know what GORT is (Behmor BraZen Brewer)
 

TK2FAST Said:

Found the problem and I don't like it.

Even though this has only been used for about 5 weeks I cleaned as directed in user manual and did the drain test again. This time it drained completely in 3 min.

What I found... This machine has a micro screen in the drain hole just before the drain valve. It looks like and is very susceptible to the slightest mineral buildup. This is a little unnerving to me as I thought these machines were more thoroughly tested. They were probably tested with distilled water. The user manual says fill with drinking water. I live in Phoenix Arizona and I will now have to clean after every 40 pots brewed.

Posted December 22, 2012 link

Consider that coffee is mostly water, it makes sense to know your water for the best brew. If your Phoenix water is that hard then you may want to look into using a bottled water or to condition your tap water. Distilled water will make awful coffee but there is a lot of room for minerals before it becomes hard, here is a small tid bit on water http://www.big-rick.com/coffee/waterfaq.html .

Good to know about the little screen though, my Britta will let small pieces of charcoal out once in a while that I have found in the SS reservoir, these could easily clog the screen over time, hopefully it will be simple enough to flush and dump upside down if I need to.
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