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Cmohamed1
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 6:47pm
Subject: Am I drinking better coffee or weaker coffee!???
 

So after doing much research I purchased the well reviewed Bodum B Brew drip coffee maker. It's supposed to be the drip machine finally done right according to my research.

First off I know pour over and French press are the best way to go in regards to flavor, however I have gotten some very good cups from drip machines in the past.

So, I grind my beans course for the cone filter fresh daily (I've tried both paper and reusable). I've tried putting 4 tbsp for 2 cups as well as 7gr for 2 cups.

My dillemma is this: I am not getting the same bold taste I used to get with my previous cheaper drip makers and same beans (weak?)
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It taste decent black (I've never took my coffee black) but this is alright and when I add cream and sugar all the flavor is lost. I've heard when coffee is brewed properly cream and sugar actually ruins it (am I actually drinking better coffee.)

Thanks in advance for your help!!!!
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 7:31pm
Subject: Re: Am I drinking better coffee or weaker coffee!???
 

Normal brewing standards call for 10 grams of coffee per 177ml (.38 oz per 8 oz cup), so at 7 gm for two cups you're seriously weak. if, like most, your Bodum calculates a "cup" of coffee as 6 oz, if you're brewing an 8 cup pot, 75 grams per 1.2 liters of water seems to work pretty well.
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 7:32pm
Subject: Re: Am I drinking better coffee or weaker coffee!???
 

Welcome to the CoffeeGeek forums, Chad.

First, I like to disabuse people of the idea that black is the only way to drink coffee. Drink it whatever way pleases you. Additions will only "ruin" the coffee if you don't like how it tastes with it. Some of us add sugar or cream, other don't. It is true that additions will compete with, and likely overwhelm the subtle natural flavors that are part of high quality coffee. But to say it "ruins" it is purely subjective.

Second, you are using much too little coffee. A general ratio (from the Specialty Coffee Association of America) for brewed coffee is about 1.65 grams of coffee per fluid ounce of water. It looks like the Bodum you have is marked as full at 10 cups, but is 40oz capacity. So, their "cup" is 4 ounces. so 2 cups = 8 oz water times 1.65 =   13.2 grams coffee.

Third, those brew ratios are a STARTING point - you should adjust the amount of coffee to suit your palate.

Fourth, are you using freshly roasted coffee? Freshly roasted means less than about 2-3 weeks from the date roasted. freshly grinding stale beans will not give good results.

(EDIT) Fifth, many drip brewers will not brew the same taste with less than a full load of water and grounds as a full load will do. Your experimentation with flavor should take that into account. That is, your brew ratio may need to change based on how much water you are using.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 8:05pm
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Actually I haven't been using freshly roasted beans

I guess I'm comparing the exact same brewing method on two different drip machines and wondering why there seems to have been so much more flavor when used a cheaper traditional drip machine.

Although I think you may be on to something with the "amount brewed" theory. I've been brewing 2 cups less than I usually do so maybe I'll try brewing 4 cups and see how it turns out.

Thanks very much for such thoughtful responses....

Input is still very much welcome. I want to hear what everyone has to say.
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 8:28pm
Subject: Re: Am I drinking better coffee or weaker coffee!???
 

One more idea: you may want to try grinding somewhat finer. For drip, aim for particles like sand.

Have fun!
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Posted Wed Apr 17, 2013, 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Am I drinking better coffee or weaker coffee!???
 

Wow! Thanks to everyone who has taken the time out to dish me some advice.
I was wondering, would anyone happen to know whether or not the fact that I had my beans stored in the freezer could have ruined them?
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Posted Sun Apr 21, 2013, 9:58am
Subject: Re: Am I drinking better coffee or weaker coffee!???
 

Stale beans stored in the freezer certainly don't get "less" stale (lol). This business of storage and it's effects is somewhat controversial and you will hear multiple opinions. My own (based on some experimentation) is that freezing seems to have limited value in retarding the "aging" process of fresh roasted coffee. Get it fresh or roast it yourself, use it fresh (within about 2 weeks), has been my experience.
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