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AlanAdler
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Posted Fri May 3, 2013, 10:29pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

jpender Said:

I just don't like the fact that I can't keep the coffee from draining too fast when I use a metal filter, at least not without inverting the AP. And inversion is a kludge with its own issues.

Posted May 3, 2013 link

Hi jpender,

Gravity flow, prior to pressing, bothers people more than it bothers the brew.  I'll bet that if you do a blind comparison between a cup which had some gravity flow vs one that didn't (inverted), you'll find it doesn't matter.

Best regards,

Alan
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Posted Sun May 5, 2013, 11:26pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

jpender Said:

I'm probably weird in that I like small cups of strong coffee so the Aeropress is actually sized perfectly for me. I just don't like the fact that I can't keep the coffee from draining too fast when I use a metal filter, at least not without inverting the AP. And inversion is a kludge with its own issues.

Posted May 3, 2013 link

Have you tried inserting the plunger just a millimeter or two right after that initial thorough stir, while waiting however long you wait till pressing? It's less likely to drain through that way.
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 8:03am
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AlanAdler Said:

It's not so much that I'm against the idea, as I think the present size is best for 90% of pressing occasions.

Posted May 3, 2013 link

That is true only if you like concentrate brewing.  If you don't, then the best you can get out of the aeropress is a 4 to 6oz cup.  

Inverted aeropress brewing makes an awesome cup of coffee, I just can't make a full mug with the current size.
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 10:00am
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

AlanAdler Said:

Gravity flow, prior to pressing, bothers people more than it bothers the brew.  I'll bet that if you do a blind comparison between a cup which had some gravity flow vs one that didn't (inverted), you'll find it doesn't matter.

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No, I haven't done a blind tasting. I would agree that it is likely to be subtle at best, but a single blind tasting would not necessarily capture the effect. The amount that bleeds through my metal filter is 10-20% of the final cup volume, depending on grind and coffee type, the time it takes me to pour the water and stir, and how effective sticking the plunger into the first few millimeters of the cylinder is.

One thing: That initial coffee tends to be VERY DIRTY. So I end up with more mud at the bottom of the cup when I brew non-inverted with my metal filter. Although I still get dirty coffee in the first bit that sneaks through after reverting an inverted brew, it's less.

I'd rather have a simple means for controlling the flow.
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 11:59am
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I can think of three options, each with its advantages and drawbacks

1) coarser grind
2) paper filter
3) inverted method
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 5:03pm
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Sure, the reasonable man adapts himself.

But I don't see why this little annoyance couldn't be solved without something akin to the Mahatten Project. Why can't we have a Clever Coffee Dripper with a plunger? Or an Aeropress with a valve? It doesn't seem like such a reach.

It may even be feasible to create an add-on to the existing Aeropress body that accomplishes this.
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 6:25pm
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jpender Said:

Sure, the reasonable man adapts himself.

But I don't see why this little annoyance couldn't be solved without something akin to the Mahatten Project. Why can't we have a Clever Coffee Dripper with a plunger? Or an Aeropress with a valve? It doesn't seem like such a reach.

It may even be feasible to create an add-on to the existing Aeropress body that accomplishes this.

Posted May 6, 2013 link

The Aeropress is ripe for improvement. As someone that loves to design stuff I can tell you I would have a FIELD DAY if someone said "Hey Colin, you're allowed to do ANYTHING you want to the AP. You can even redesign it."

But he has a patent and that's that. I AM however coming up with a little accessory piece that essentially replaces the paper filter holder and makes it more useful. Instead of being just a holder it would snap ontop of the AP plunger rim to hold the scoop and plunger in there. Then, the upper compartment holds the filters. To keep them from falling out, I designed it to use the black plastic filter cap as the filter cap. This way you aren't tempted (like I do every day) to put the black cap back on the AP which holds the plunger in a compressed position (not good).

Bottom line: this thing holds all the essential AP components in one piece. Done.

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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 7:32pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

jpender Said:

It may even be feasible to create an add-on to the existing Aeropress body that accomplishes this.

Posted May 6, 2013 link

Jeremy, the young fellow behind Blossom Coffee attempted to get kickstarter backing for a device like this about a year ago.  He called it "The Blossom".  He demonstrated it to us.  We felt it was a solution in search of a problem.

He did not get the backing and moved on to the pursuit of other ideas.

Why do you use a metal filter?

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Alan
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 8:01pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

Hi Alan.

AlanAdler Said:

Jeremy, the young fellow behind Blossom Coffee attempted to get kickstarter backing for a device like this about a year ago.  He called it "The Blossom".  He demonstrated it to us.  We felt it was a solution in search of a problem.

He did not get the backing and moved on to the pursuit of other ideas.

Posted May 6, 2013 link

The problem with analogies is that they are often not apt. In this case you're attempting to compare a $10,000 doomed internet-connected, mahogany and teak festooned, fancy high-tech version of the Aeropress with my suggestion for a valve that could probably be produced as an add-on for dollars or maybe tens of dollars. It may be that hardly anybody cares about what I want so it isn't marketable. But that's a different issue.

A more pressing (get it?) issue is that the AP doesn't have enough volume to produce a full mug of coffee without a seperate dilution step. That doesn't affect me but it does matter to many. Example: "If I could make 4 cups at a time [in an Aeropress] I would never use the Brazen." Click Here (www.home-barista.com)


AlanAdler Said:

Why do you use a metal filter?

Posted May 6, 2013 link

Good question. I was curious about them and hoped they might improve on the mildness and lack of body I often experience with Aeropress brews. A friend who knew about that gave me one for Christmas. I use it about 80% of the time now. The jury is still out with this particular filter as far as I'm concerned.

But I never really liked the idea of the liquid sneaking past the paper filter either.
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Posted Mon May 6, 2013, 8:33pm
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jpender Said:

Hi Alan.
The problem with analogies is that they are often not apt. In this case you're attempting to compare a $10,000 doomed internet-connected, mahogany and teak festooned, fancy high-tech version of the Aeropress with my suggestion for a valve that could probably be produced as an add-on for dollars or maybe tens of dollars.

Posted May 6, 2013 link

Hi jp,

"The Blossom" was a $15 plastic cap with a rubber valve, which replaced the standard AeroPress cap.  It was just what you want.  It was offered as an accessory for the AeroPress.  But the kickstarter effort failed, so Jeremy moved on to his $11,000 machine

I searched the internet for a photo of it without success, but I only searched for a few minutes.  I'll bet it's out there.  You could write to Jeremy.

Best,

Alan
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