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Posted Tue Jul 23, 2013, 6:19am
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I think Mark Prince is looking at them again, they were supposed to be redesigned to make them stronger, the arms on the first model sometimes broke under the pressure of making coffee.

Don't quote me on the above but I do remember something about this maker and Mark There are some reviews on it in our review section, are these the ones you are referring to?


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Posted Tue Jul 23, 2013, 6:27am
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It's nowhere near on par with the Mypressi, in terms of espresso. Mypressi shot quality is far, far better.

The Presso/ROK is easy & fun to use, needs a fair bit of pre-heating. A couple of run throughs with boiling water, with a pause arms half down to hold the water in the device & portafilter, then you are good to go.

Maybe due to the lower pressure, maybe due to the crude shower screen, but you don't get decent puck integrity, the puck always seems a little loose and the top looks shot blasted. Maybe because of this you seem to get a little more solids in the cup with finer grinds, so I line the basket with an Aeropress filter paper for a cleaner cup.

There is a lot of talk about how to get a decent crema with the Presso/ROK...it can be done but is somewhat of an uphill battle & can detract from focus on the drink, which may still be pretty good in it's own right. If you forget trying to get crema/an authentic espresso type drink, grind a little coarser and head more for lungo/moka pot brew ratios, you can get great, quick, strong coffee.

There was a recent post on the UK forum stating that ROK were not using BPA free materials for the water chamber.
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Posted Tue Jul 23, 2013, 6:53am
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I found the thread. Marks reply is near the bottom.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/633163#633163

 
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Posted Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:05am
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I have one of the older, All Clad, versions of this machine.  They were blowing them out pretty cheap at someplace like Target.  I think it was about $50.

If you want to amuse yourself by pulling a shot of espresso without the use of electricity, this thing will do it, but it is a whole lot of bother. You have to preheat it by running hot water through it a few times before the shot.  There are air gaps in the piston which limit the pressure.  I found a workaround by pumping the handles to build up the pressure.  Jim Schulman came up with a good fix for this issue which involved Teflon inserts to fill the gaps.  I believe this fix is on Home Barista.  I was going to do Jim's fix but then started to wonder if the gaps were intentional to limit pressure and therefore force on the handles.  I started to see stuff about the handles breaking causing the machine to tip and scald the user.  I may do Jim's  mod someday but this thing does scare me.

I would say that if the new seller of this machine has addressed the safety issue and made it so it will yield the pressure of a real espresso machine, buy it if you are willing to put up with the drill.

I think there was an incarnation of this machine before All Clad which was well thought of.

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