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shnxx
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Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 5:18pm
Subject: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

I have a Behmor Brazen which I have used sparingly as the coffee I'm getting doesn't taste all that great to me.

I usually tire of the flavor after one brew. For instance, I like the Ethiopian sometimes so I got those beans but I grew tired of it after one brew but I still had a lot of beans left.

Anyway what kind of settings do you guys recommend to get a good brew from the Behmor Brazen?
What kind of beans? How coarse of a grind?
Filter paper or no filter paper?
Soak settings? Temperature?
Have you guys replaced the carafe?
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Espresso: Aerobie Aeropress
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Drip: Krups Moka Brew, BraZen
Roaster: Freshroast+8, Behmor 1600+
Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 7:17pm
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

I am currently using Sumatra Mandheling, roasted to FC+ and used within 3 weeks of roasting.

I have my Baratza Maestro Plus set at 24 (a bit coarser than kosher salt) and I grind 65 grams for 1.2 litres of water just before brewing.

I use the gold (not paper) filter.

I have the pre-soak set at 1:30 min.

My brew temperature is set at 204F.

I get an awesome pot of coffee every time.  

I have experienced NONE of the problems revealed in this news forum.  I have moderately hard water but have had no failure to drain completely.  I have never done a citric-acid (or any other kind of) clean.  My valve has not failed.  My urn does not leak.  I don't even get it to dribble, but my family have 'dribble' problems so I am getting the 'dribble' repair kit for the urn spout.  

I regularly cross-check the 'quality' of the brew by doing a mug on my Aeropress, grind set at (say 12), water at 180F, steep-time around 1 minute.  That mug is less intense and missing some of the aroma but is substantially the same.  However, the BraZen produces, for me, absolutely, the Gold Standard pot of coffee.

BraZen is going through 'New Product Growing Pains'.  However, I am a Coffee Geek, dedicated to experimentation, the pursuit of excellence, and I admire that Joe Behm is sincere in his intentions to promote quality and support his new machine through this troublesome period.  

May I offer a word of advice?  It is possible to roast too dark, to grind too fine, to brew too hot, and thereby produce coffee that is simply too intense, to the point of being unpleasant.  The BraZen is VERY adjustable.  Visit your local coffee-bar and compare the strength of what they serve to what you brew.  Then, if necessary, re-adjust.  I do this regularly to re-tune my taste-buds.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 9, 2013, 8:06pm
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

Jerry's fine posting shows just how flexible the BraZen is. It's no sweat customizing brewing parameters to suit one's taste preference.

So, to the point. I brew only single origins in the BraZen. IMO, it is the closet thing to creating the taste profile of a perfect "pour-over" brew, such as a Kalita filter, Hario V60, etc.
Thus, I tend to skew my settings towards the same sort of profiling. A shorter pre-soak of 40 seconds to allow for blooming. Depending on the varietal, My brew temperature is set at 202f (around 94c). As I am 750 ft above sea level, I've performed the calibration procedure. Unless you're at 0 altitude, I highly recommend doing this calibration.

My grind is about same as my Kalita grind, slightly finer than kosher salt. Thus, with a finer grind than Jerry's, my preference is 55 grams for 1.2 liters.
I actually prefer my brew with a paper filter. Perhaps it's the reduction of oils that give me a cleaner cup.Interestingly, I have no issues with straight espresso, perhaps due to it's much shorter extraction time and oil emulsification.

So you see, Jerry and I get wonderful whilst using significantly different parameters.
In a way, the BraZen is like a well designed espresso machine, where certain parameters such as temperature, pressure, and pre-infusion can be controlled to some extent.

One universal coffee truth states it is WHAT you grind that will most determine your enjoyment. Excellent water quality doesn't hurt!
For me,  Sumatra is a rather flat taste. I tend to go with Ethiopians, and bright and lively Central American coffees.
For Jerry, that robust, earthy flavor of a quality Sumatran coffee is the ticket. Different strokes, as they used to say. :>D

Slightly OT, are you sourcing freshly roasted coffee from an experienced coffee roaster?
As old coffee without a "roasted on" date usually results in predictably bad coffee in the cup.
The one question you left out was that of the coffee itself, so I thought I'd ask.



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Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 5:12am
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

I have subscriptions from Counter Culture Coffee, both Farmhouse and Single source. The coffee comes to my door in alternate weeks within 2 days of roasting. I usually go through a bag a week.
Great coffee !

I typically grind 62-66g for a 1.2L pot at around the middle of the perk range on the Breville Smart Grinder.
I prefer a temp of 198, with a 2:15 pre-soak using the gold filter supplied with the brewer.

If I happen to pick up a darker roast, like Starbucks, Kaulai Koloa, or (I'm in stl) Kaladi- I'll drop to 58-60g. Same temp and pre-soak.

No issues with the brewer. I don't filter my water. My water hardness score is 229. I did find the dribble annoying and got the replacement lid kit- now the brewer works to perfection.

It's nice to see how others vary their temp preferences. I prefer my coffee on the cool side, and even let it rest a bit after pouring before drinking it. For me, brewing at over 200 takes away the smooth-ish quality of the brew.

To each their own - This is the only brewer that allows you to tweet the variables, and you get YOUR perfect cup, every time.....
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Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 6:02am
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

I roast my own coffee and I'm currently working on some Tanzanian Peaberry taken to FC. I personally perfer SO to blends, I find it more interesting picking out the unique notes.

For my grinder I have a Barazza Encore, grinding at 18 iirc, ends a bit finer then kosher salt.  I tend to stick around 50-55g per 1.2L pot. My wife complains I make my coffee too strong, so that's the "comprimise" weight I've reached. Using the gold basket that came with the machine, I brew at 201F with a 1:15 presoak. It gets me a consistantly damn fine cup of coffee. I've also calibrated it, so I know that it's getting to the appropriate temp (al also verified it once with a digital probe, it was spot on).

I've had no issues with my Brazen personally. I have used it every day for 8 months and have done a Acetic Acid clean once. I don't have an issue with the carafe personally, but it seems everyone else in my family does, so I've also requested a replacement spout on the urn.
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Roaster: Behmor 1600+, CO/UFO combo
Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 6:39am
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

Mfoster Said:

I have subscriptions from Counter Culture Coffee, both Farmhouse and Single source. The coffee comes to my door in alternate weeks within 2 days of roasting. I usually go through a bag a week.
Great coffee !

I typically grind 62-66g for a 1.2L pot at around the middle of the perk range on the Breville Smart Grinder.
I prefer a temp of 198, with a 2:15 pre-soak using the gold filter supplied with the brewer.

If I happen to pick up a darker roast, like Starbucks, Kaulai Koloa, or (I'm in stl) Kaladi- I'll drop to 58-60g. Same temp and pre-soak.

No issues with the brewer. I don't filter my water. My water hardness score is 229. I did find the dribble annoying and got the replacement lid kit- now the brewer works to perfection.

It's nice to see how others vary their temp preferences. I prefer my coffee on the cool side, and even let it rest a bit after pouring before drinking it. For me, brewing at over 200 takes away the smooth-ish quality of the brew.

To each their own - This is the only brewer that allows you to tweet the variables, and you get YOUR perfect cup, every time.....

Posted October 10, 2013 link

IMO, 229ppm is too high to put in the BraZen, or ANY machine for that matter. To prevent scaling, which could be a problem down the road, why not at least Get a Brita, which reduces that # to about 85? Or mix some distilled water with your water. I believe you might also improved the taste of your brew.
Just a thought. :>D

 
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Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 7:29am
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

229 is the TDS score that I get from ZeroWater.com . I like the taste of the water and it's not minerally. So these scores I take with a " grain of salt ". I haven't tested my home water and I personally don't trust the online scores.
I do get scaling in the reservoir, and when I get a good layer going I descale with descal or BrewRite.

I really like the flavor of the coffee - and I agree that I would probably get a better brew with filtered water. However, why try to fix what's already working ?

Thanks for your input !
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Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 8:52am
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

Mark, the "fix" would be more preventative to avoid a fatal amount of scaling in places that might be critical to operation.
FWIW, Joe actually recommends RO, but for some, no mineral water produces a flat brew.
FWIW, I have no residue in the hot water chamber using Brita. YMMV

 
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Posted Thu Oct 10, 2013, 9:51pm
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

Thank you all so much for the replies.
I just upgraded my espresso grinder to a K10 Pro Barista model so it is now time to look for a new grinder for Behmor.

So far I've been using the Bezzera BB003 for the Behmor too but obviously it is not ideal.
What's a good small grinder for drip?
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Posted Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:57am
Subject: Re: Any tips on the Behmor Brazen brew?
 

One of the greatest things about coffee is you can make/ brew it to your own personal preferneces.

Scientifically speaking ideally coffee is extracted at 20% and has solids (strength) in the range of 1.20-1.50% with 1.25% shown as being center target.

We know from tests with the Brazen that 5 blends tested were found to be in the ideal range a high of 200 set point and 195 low.

The thing is according to a NASA approved test lab who we had perform a series of tests we know the set point to grounds experiences a 1.8-2 degree F drop. Thus a 200 set point equates to 198 on grounds and 195 at 193 on grounds. Keep in mind the standard says ideally water should be 195-205 yet we know with certainty using high end test equipment one blend extracted ideally at a 195 setting thus 193 to grounds which is outside the oft quoted ideal water temp

Point is there is science then there is personal taste. There also was never before a consumer brewer where water temps could be dropped onto grounds with such accuracy.

For me personally I only do single origin and roast my own coffee almost always to City++ to FC max. For African coffees (fruity, bright etc.) I do 198-200 max whereas Centrals and S. American I set at 202-205. Sorry never touch SE Asian coffees not my thing but would see they fall in the same family as the latter group, being centrals etc.

Grind wise I tested the heck out of grind sizes (I was gifted a Bunn commercial LPG series) and my goal was finer than coarse but not too fine that would allow grounds to ride up the basket and stay. I found a grind equal to what would be coarse pepper worked great for me with a paper filter. It rose nicely during prewet yet collapsed as desired when the next rounds of water hit for even/ thorough extraction.

Paper v gold filter- is all what your looking for in mouth feel

My point in all this is it comes down to what works for you but hope the above will guide you.

Best
Joe behm

ps.. hope this made sense. I'm in Asia at it was close to 4am here when written.. so no coffee etc..

 
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