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SlowRain
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Posted Wed Aug 13, 2008, 9:31pm
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KillerQ Said:

I would equate it to a cold version of -- well, any mellow, quality coffee brew....  So, i'll say drip.  Although, it's hard to compare it to one of the three....

Posted August 13, 2008 link

Yes, that's the closest of the three for me as well.

Today I tried mixing the concentrate 1:1 with milk, and it actually made a nice drink.  I'd say it was similar to an iced cappuccino.  This one is my favorite so far.
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Posted Thu Aug 14, 2008, 11:01pm
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*I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone might have for improving my cold brew, be it correcting my method or offering an alternate method.*

Rain, sorry for being so slow in responding. My computer blew up and I'm in the throes of migrating to a new one .... I hate Vista! :-)

Your method sounds like an awful lot of work for a batch of cold brew. Normally cold brew is made by soaking the grounds in a large container with a little reusable fiber filter in the bottom, then you just pull the cork on the bottom of the container and drain it into a decanter. Others have soaked their grinds in large jars and then poured the mixture off through a fine-mesh sieve. I figured with a french press it would eliminate pouring through the sieve because the plunger would accomplish the same thing, plus you can make smaller batches and try different coffees to find one you like instead of ending up with a gallon-sized batch that makes you cringe :-)

Try using a 32-ounce (1 quart) mason jar and use 2/3 to 3/4 cup grounds and then fill the jar up with cold water to within an inch of the top. Put the lid on and let it sit overnight or about 12 hours on the counter, not in the refrigerator (refrigerate the concentrate though). Then take a paper filter for a drip-maker or Melitta and place it in a funnel. Then pour the cold-brew mixture off into another container. Grind size definitely makes a difference. My best luck has come from using a medium (or percolator) grind, I really like the French Market Chickory blend. I've had some good luck with drip grind. Espresso and french press or coarse grinds have never worked out for me. The cold-brew coffee is a very different taste from anything else, I've never had a "strong" tasting cold-brew. Most of the coffeehouses around here use cold-brew for their iced drinks and it works great for those because the flavor doesn't change like it does when pouring hot-brewed coffee over ice (the acids and amount of caffeine in the hot-brew process change the flavor when poured over ice).

Play with the amount of coffee used and see what you like for a particular type of ground coffee. I tend to float around that 4:1 ratio, 4 ounces of water to 1 ounce (by weight) of coffee; sometimes more, sometimes less depending on the type of coffee.

Hey, Irish creme sounds good! I'm a waste-not-want-not kinda gal. When all else fails, cover it up :-) In teaching 5 kids how to cook I've eaten some rather "amazing" things with a smile and a spoonful of jelly.

Anyway, hope that helps. Good luck!
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Posted Fri Aug 15, 2008, 6:13am
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I make it following the Toddy directions & always get a very strong concentrate that needs to be diluted. Mixing 4 parts water/1 part coffee I can see why you never get a strong brew. I also use the coarsest grind on my KA Pro which works well with the Toddy filter & gives a very tasty brew.

 
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Posted Fri Aug 15, 2008, 8:40am
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JVBorella Said:

I make it following the Toddy directions & always get a very strong concentrate that needs to be diluted. Mixing 4 parts water/1 part coffee I can see why you never get a strong brew. I also use the coarsest grind on my KA Pro which works well with the Toddy filter & gives a very tasty brew.

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Yes, I've used the Toddy system for more than 20 years. It makes a coffee concentrate to be blended with hot water. I meant "strong" in taste, not concentration, in referring to Rain's experience. The 4:1 ratio is the Toddy recommendation.

The coarse setting on most grinders is actually just a tad different than the commercial medium grind (also called universal grind), as opposed to the size of "half a grain of rice" recommendations for the french press. Good luck!
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Posted Fri Aug 15, 2008, 8:51am
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Jan_H Said:

Yes, I've used the Toddy system for more than 20 years. It makes a coffee concentrate to be blended with hot water. I meant "strong" in taste, not concentration, in referring to Rain's experience. The 4:1 ratio is the Toddy recommendation. Good luck!

Posted August 15, 2008 link

I only use it for Iced Coffee as I've got much better methods of making hot coffee. I found the Toddy 3:1 (not 4:1) dilution recommendation too weak & use more of a 50/50 (50% concentrate, 35% water & 15% Half/Half) mixture which gives a nice strong coffee flavor even with the Half & Half.

 
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Posted Fri Aug 15, 2008, 8:55am
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Here's the Toddy's brewing instructions: http://www.toddycafe.com/customerservice/instructions.php

 
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Posted Tue Oct 22, 2013, 1:01pm
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First post | I stumbled into cold brew after visiting Insight Coffee Roasters in Sacramento, CA.  After some internet research, I tried it on my own.  I first started off with cheaper coffee in case I screwed something up, so I started off with Trader Joe's coffee.  Their coffee is still decent.

I started off making it the following ways:

-with room temperature bottled water then brew on the kitchen counter
-with room temperature bottled water then brew in the frig
-with partial hot water with the rest room temperature bottled water then brew on the kitchen counter
-with partial of hot water with the rest room temperature bottled water then brew in the frig


-12 hour, 15 hour, 18 hour, & 24 hour brew times
1/3 cup grounds to 1.5 cups of filtered/bottled water

I use a plastic pitcher as the brewing container and use a French press to filter out the grounds.  I make my brew in 9 cup batches.  So, 9 cups of filtered water with 2 cups of grounds.

For the combo of hot and room temperature, it's supposed to let the coffee grounds bloom apparently.
12 hours is the minimum, but the sweet spot is from 18-24 hours

My usual brew is:  room temperature water, frig brew, 18-24 hours (time depends on the coffee roaster).  I do 24 hours with Verve.

With certain brews, I use very little ice or drink it straight black with no sweetener.  I used to have it with almond milk and/or half and half.
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Posted Thu Oct 24, 2013, 12:03pm
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Wow, way to revive this thread after 5 years...I'm still here,  haha. Thanks for the info, I'll give your ideas a shot!


Later,

Matt!



coldbrewer818 Said:

First post | I stumbled into cold brew after visiting Insight Coffee Roasters in Sacramento, CA.  After some internet research, I tried it on my own.  I first started off with cheaper coffee in case I screwed something up, so I started off with Trader Joe's coffee.  Their coffee is still decent.

I started off making it the following ways:

-with room temperature bottled water then brew on the kitchen counter
-with room temperature bottled water then brew in the frig
-with partial hot water with the rest room temperature bottled water then brew on the kitchen counter
-with partial of hot water with the rest room temperature bottled water then brew in the frig


-12 hour, 15 hour, 18 hour, & 24 hour brew times
1/3 cup grounds to 1.5 cups of filtered/bottled water

I use a plastic pitcher as the brewing container and use a French press to filter out the grounds.  I make my brew in 9 cup batches.  So, 9 cups of filtered water with 2 cups of grounds.

For the combo of hot and room temperature, it's supposed to let the coffee grounds bloom apparently.
12 hours is the minimum, but the sweet spot is from 18-24 hours

My usual brew is:  room temperature water, frig brew, 18-24 hours (time depends on the coffee roaster).  I do 24 hours with Verve.

With certain brews, I use very little ice or drink it straight black with no sweetener.  I used to have it with almond milk and/or half and half.

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