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BarryR
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Posted Sun Feb 2, 2014, 6:39am
Subject: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

This morning I woke up and made some of a home-roasted (City+?) Yirgacheffe in my Handy Brewer. I thought it was excellent. Then I made the same coffee in my Phase Brew and it was thinner and less impressive.

I actually use a Mr. Coffee type gold filter in the Bunn to get a fuller flavor than paper filter since there's no Bunn size gold filter available. I find that, as long as I roast no more than 6 cups, the gold filter works and doesn't overflow. I can't say whether all the flow dynamics are right but I'm guessing it's fine.

Both time I used about the same grind (medium-fine) and get a little bit of sediment in the cup and used 9 gm coffee per 5 oz water.

So, I'm looking to see if I need to improve my usual brewing method. I've also thought about a large French Press or an Espro Press but I really want something automatic (for the weekdays) and started to wonder whether a Brazen should be in my future.
I'm a little concerned about some quality issues but figure they should be sorted out during the next 2 years under warranty.

I'm not sure, though, if the difference between the two machines would be that significant.
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LiferJuice
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Posted Sun Feb 2, 2014, 6:58am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

I went from a Technivorm to the Brazen.

I have had zero problems with my Brazen, I can't say it makes a better cup than the TV but I really like the option of the automatic pre-infusion and the calibrated adjustable brew temp.

I think you will enjoy the Brazen.

BTW I still have my TV as a backup.

While I'm posting this I am enjoying a cup of Ethiopian Harrar, MMMmmm.
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LIY
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Posted Sun Feb 2, 2014, 10:38am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

That is exactly what I did!  Went from the Bunn Phase Brew to the Brazen - never looked back!

The Bunn occasionally made a good cup of coffee; the Brazen ALWAYS makes a great cup!

LIY
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BarryR
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Posted Sun Feb 2, 2014, 1:53pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

LIY Said:

That is exactly what I did!  Went from the Bunn Phase Brew to the Brazen - never looked back!

The Bunn occasionally made a good cup of coffee; the Brazen ALWAYS makes a great cup!

LIY

Posted February 2, 2014 link

I may just order it then.
Why do you think the coffee it makes is so much better?
The filter?
The settable parameters?
The spray pattern?
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JKalpin
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Location: Thornhill, Ontario Canada
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Espresso: Aerobie Aeropress
Grinder: Baratza Maestro Plus
Vac Pot: Yama 5-Cup
Drip: Krups Moka Brew, BraZen
Roaster: Freshroast+8, Behmor 1600+
Posted Sun Feb 2, 2014, 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

Barry, it is many things:

As you know, getting the best out of a bean means evaluation and adjustment.  The more ways you can adjust the better off you are.

This morning I ran out of my home roast and my son brought over a sample of Rwandan roasted for COSTCO.  The first pot was ground to 24 and brewed at 204F.  It was bitter and unpleasant.  My next pot will be ground coarser (say 32) and brewed at 200.  

There is also the issue of:  How accurate is the temperature-control on most brewers?  The BraZen ramps up and hits the set-point with no overshoot or undershoot.

I am another happy BraZen users who has never experienced the problems on this news forum, other than I did have the urn lip-assembly replaced so not to dribble.

 
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BarryR
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Posted Tue Feb 4, 2014, 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

My Brazen will arrive tomorrow!
Between that and my recently purchased Hottop-B2K, I should be in coffee heaven soon!
Hopefully, the Brazen QA issues have been ironed out, but I trust Joe Behm, so that helps.
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Posted Wed Feb 5, 2014, 8:42am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

BarryR Said:

My Brazen will arrive tomorrow!
Between that and my recently purchased Hottop-B2K, I should be in coffee heaven soon!
Hopefully, the Brazen QA issues have been ironed out, but I trust Joe Behm, so that helps.

Posted February 4, 2014 link

Sounds like you live at my house!   ;-)
The Brazen is a remarkable machine. All its features are impressive, but as I said in my review, my opinion is that it makes any other drip brewer that does not have adjustable temperature and pre-infusion obsolete.

 
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cafedj
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Roaster: Counter Culture
Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 5:44pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

JKalpin Said:

Barry, it is many things:

As you know, getting the best out of a bean means evaluation and adjustment.  The more ways you can adjust the better off you are.

This morning I ran out of my home roast and my son brought over a sample of Rwandan roasted for COSTCO.  The first pot was ground to 24 and brewed at 204F.  It was bitter and unpleasant.  My next pot will be ground coarser (say 32) and brewed at 200.  

There is also the issue of:  How accurate is the temperature-control on most brewers?  The BraZen ramps up and hits the set-point with no overshoot or undershoot..

Posted February 2, 2014 link

Recently had a similar experience.  Ran out of my normal city roast beans and ended up with some darker roast from a nearby local roaster.   Had been brewing at 203, but that really brought out those dark roast notes that aren't my favorite.  Dialed the Brazen down to 200, and man what a difference.  Rich, smooth, really muted those harsher dark flavors.  Once you taste what controlled temp adjustment can do it's hard to imagine living without it.
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BarryR
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Espresso: CC1
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Drip: Behmor Brazen, Clever...
Roaster: Hottop KN-8828B2-K
Posted Tue Feb 11, 2014, 6:49pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

cafedj Said:

Recently had a similar experience.  Ran out of my normal city roast beans and ended up with some darker roast from a nearby local roaster.   Had been brewing at 203, but that really brought out those dark roast notes that aren't my favorite.  Dialed the Brazen down to 200, and man what a difference.  Rich, smooth, really muted those harsher dark flavors.  Once you taste what controlled temp adjustment can do it's hard to imagine living without it.

Posted February 11, 2014 link

Yup. I've already been able to "dial in" some temps.
I tend to like relatively bitter tastes (compared with the generall public).

It's not uncommon for me to want a little more bitterness in my coffee and I've noticed that I've preferred some of my coffees brewed at 202 or even 204. Depends on the bean/roast of course.

I got a Yirg (Kochere) from Willoughby's roasters in CT (came free with my Brazen). It looks like a City+ and was a little light for my tastes (lacked the good kind of bitterness). By brewing at 202 or 203 I got a taste that I liked better than at 200.
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masonjer
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Posted Wed Feb 19, 2014, 11:19am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Brazen from Bunn Phase Brew or something else?
 

Although it's a fairly straight forward machine, I have been pretty happy with my bonavita dripper.  It's pretty stripped down, but does a nice job for the price point.
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