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johnnyb3
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Location: Anaheim, CA
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Grinder: Baratza Maestro Plus refurb
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos
Drip: Chemex
Posted Fri May 30, 2014, 2:14pm
Subject: Grinder around $200 for pourover/vacpot/press
 

Hi, all,

Well, the ol' Baratza Maestro Plus seems to be giving up the ghost -- still grinds pretty well, but it's starting to get very noisy as though the gearbox is going. I am going to take the opportunity to upgrade a little. I have my eye on the Virtuoso at this point. Based on the product reviews on this site, it seems as though the old 585 model had some reliability issues but that the newer 586, with the added plus of an improved burr set, is better. As indicated, I would never use the grinder for espresso. Also, I don't want to go manual, even though I imagine the best one in my price range would be an OE Lido, or a Pharos if I stretched just a bit.

Any wisdom or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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daveupstateNY
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Location: Rochester, NY
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi...
Grinder: Baratza Preciso, Hario &...
Vac Pot: Yama 2 & 5 cup
Drip: Technivorm Moccamaster CD,...
Roaster: Don't roast ... yet!
Posted Fri May 30, 2014, 5:32pm
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Can't beat a Baratza for home use, IMHO. I owned a Virtuoso, and now, a Preciso. I also own both the Lido 1 and an un-modded Pharos ... can't say enough good things about OE. Of the two, the Lido is my go to for daily pour overs and other "hand" brews. But for full pots, in the Technivorm, it's the Preciso. So, I would say you can't go wrong either way ;)

 
Ciao,

Dave
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mgwolf
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Location: Plymouth, MN
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Espresso: Londinium 1, Olympia Cremina
Grinder: Mazzer SJ, Baratza Maestro
Vac Pot: Yama, Sunbeam C50
Drip: Krups Moka Brew, Chemex
Posted Fri May 30, 2014, 6:28pm
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I used to have a Maestro and now have a Virtuoso for drip/press.  The Virtuoso works MUCH better than the Maestro, more even grind and fewer fines.  I don't use it for espresso since I have another espresso grinder.
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Eastsideloco
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Espresso: '74 Cremina, '91 Livietta...
Grinder: Vario-W, mid-century...
Vac Pot: Cona C, Kono PR 3, Hellem...
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Posted Sat May 31, 2014, 8:43am
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+1. I'd keep an eye out on the Baratza page for a refurbished Virtuoso:

Click Here (www.baratza.com)

The refurbs have the same warranty as a new machine.
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boar_d_laze
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Espresso: La Cimbali M21 DT/1 Junior...
Grinder: Ceado E92; "Bunnzilla"
Vac Pot: Royal Coffee Maker
Drip: Chemex + Kone; Espro Press
Roaster: USRC Sample Roaster
Posted Sat May 31, 2014, 9:29am
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The Baratza Virtuoso and Breville Smart are both "good" (as opposed to "inadequate," "adequate," "very good," or "excellent") for your purpose.  The Virtuoso is a little over $200, the Smart is $200 everywhere, but can be had discounted.  

We bought a Smart a few years ago and used it happily as our brew grinder until replacing it with something ridiculously larger and more expensive.  We bought a Virtuoso for my daughter awhile ago.  She uses it for pourover and press with good results.  Those results, as far as I can tell, are indistinguishable from the Smart's.  

As far as pourover/vacpot/press are concerned the Preciso doesn't represent any improvement over current prodution Virtuosos.  Same burr set, but a more refined adjustment scheme doesn't do much for brew -- alla time same same really.  And by extension and experience a Preciso doesn't do brew or press any better than a Smart.  

The Baratza Vario with Ditting brew burrs is a step better ("very good") than the Virtuoso/Smart.  But it is considerably more expensive at $400 (with the Ditting burrs) refurbed.  Enough better to consider if you can swing it without eating ramen for a month.      

The step to "excellence" is the step to bulk grinders.  Expensive and huge.    

Bottom Line
$200?  Smart or Virtuoso.  
 
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Rocker66
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Espresso: Rancilio Silvia
Grinder: Baratza Virtuoso / Vario
Vac Pot: Mocha Express/Aeropress
Drip: Bonavita/Pour over
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Wed Jun 18, 2014, 3:28am
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I will vouch for the Virtuoso. I bought a refurb from Baratza about 6 years ago and it is still going strong. The only issue I've had with it is the gear stripped last year. I purchased their gear upgrade kit and it is still working like a champ. I even used it for espresso for a while before I got my Vario. It has a lot of grind settings and does a great job of it.

Good luck with your decision.

Dave

 
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johnnyb3
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Location: Anaheim, CA
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Grinder: Baratza Maestro Plus refurb
Vac Pot: Bodum Santos
Drip: Chemex
Posted Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:59pm
Subject: Re: Grinder around $200 for pourover/vacpot/press
 

Thanks to everyone. Looks as though there's a pretty clear consensus!
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