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italiano
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Posted Fri Jun 13, 2003, 9:24am
Subject: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

What is the best and proper way to store fresh roasted espresso beans ? What I have done in the past
is to place the coffee beans in either a glass or plastic air tight mason jar and then placed it into the freezer. As needed I would take them out of the
jar onto a dish allow the beans to reach room temperture then grind as needed for espresso. I have read that limiting air and light exposure to the beans will keep them fresh. But what about exposing the beans to the cold either in the frig or the freezer. Or is it better to store them in the air tight jars in a dark dry location like a closet.
I am interested to here how other coffeegeek members keep their coffee beans fresh for usage. Thks
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Posted Fri Jun 13, 2003, 12:19pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

I store my beans in an airthight container out of the light. I only buy enough beans that I plan to use in about a 7-10 day period. To freeze or not to freeze - that's your decision. I choose not to freeze and limit my bean supply.
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Posted Fri Jun 13, 2003, 2:58pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

which makes me wonder why mazzer and most other grinders come with a big clear hopper.  Depending on how ones bar is set up, during part of the day you might have to put a towel over the hopper to keep the sun of of it.

 
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Posted Mon Jun 16, 2003, 12:02pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

I would guess by sunlight you are talking about DIRECT sunlight which might bring heat from direct sunlight which may cause moisture to form.  This probably won't be a problem for most grinder hoppers because most coffee shops don't keep their setup next to the window exposing the beans to sunlight in the window....just a guess (an uneducated one by the way)

 
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Posted Mon Jun 16, 2003, 8:08pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

I just say no to putting coffee in the freezer.  But, some day I'd like to try flash freezing them in liquid nitrogen.  It might not work out but it would be fun to try.

    Jim

 
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Posted Mon Jun 16, 2003, 8:33pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

jliedeka Said:

I just say no to putting coffee in the freezer.  But, some day I'd like to try flash freezing them in liquid nitrogen.  It might not work out but it would be fun to try.

    Jim

Posted June 17, 2003 link

Hi Jim,

Michael Sivetz, is a well known & one of the worlds foremost coffee scientists.He wrote the first book on coffee technology in 1963, invented and patented fluid bed roasting technology, and still teaches coffee school and consults on coffee technology and coffee quality. I mentioned about what he had to say about freezing, in this thread. I was also curious about the use of dry ice or liquid nitrogen. {:-)
Preservation Patent.

Another great book, the "bible" of coffee, "All About Coffee" by William Harrison Ukers, hardcover 818 pages, 1st published in 1935, & reprinted by the SCAA.

 
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Posted Sun Jul 20, 2003, 12:16pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

Hi!
   Well...realize freshly roasted beans need to de-gas...so...airtight containers are not good. I never recommend storing beans in the fridge...the beans will absorb odors from what's in there...not good..just like baking soda. I store my beans in ziplocs for a short period...that seems to work well for me. I have some valve bags on the way..even though I can't see me having any beans around for longer than...say...four weeks max.

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Posted Sun Jul 20, 2003, 2:52pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

coffeecrazyga Said:freshly roasted beans need to de-gas...so...airtight containers are not good.

Beans will de-gas regardless of being stored in an airtight container.  Please comment further on why the small amount of pressure that builds up in, say, a quart container is detrimental to the beans' resting for 24-48 hrs.

Personally, I seal 'em up and look forward to the "pop" when I open the jar a day or two later.  Bad idea?
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Posted Sun Jul 20, 2003, 4:41pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

Snap Said:

Personally, I seal 'em up and look forward to the "pop" when I open the jar a day or two later.  Bad idea?
Martin

Posted July 20, 2003 link

Hi Martin...
  • Careful freezing before degassing will not degrade beans so as to make them detectable as such to normal humans...not one of my knowledgeable coffee friends has ever guessed they were drinking the essence of beans 'formerly known as frozen'. I just don't tell 'em.
  • Storing freshly roasted beans in airtight containers is fine.
      - If you think freezing or sealing beans hurts them, wait till I run em
        through my Rocky!!

I look forward to that 'swish' of cracking the seal on jars of beans which have been degassing.

There are scientific analyses of every aspect of coffee...and one could study every detail of his/her coffee selection, roasting, storage, cupping etc via the scientists. But the scientists who study coffee don't agree in all aspects of their findings.
  • I try things, and if they work I do them again (heck I even repeat some because I thought they should have worked!).

For me when it gets so deep that we are comparing and debating scientific theory, it takes the fun aspects out of my hobby. Just grind the beans and fix me a cup please!
  • If I were in business and selling to the public, there would be strict, and I am sure scientific, standards imposed. I'd also have a -40F freezer.
  • For home use, my approach is quite a bit freer.

Our home roasted coffee stored in mason jars in the cupboard, and occasionally carefully frozen to accommodate the overrun from an experimental roasting marathon, is still better than anything else we get locally.

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Posted Sun Jul 20, 2003, 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Fresh roasted coffee bean storage
 

ljguitar Said:

Just grind the beans and fix me a cup please!
If I were in business and selling to the public, there would be strict, and I am sure scientific, standards imposed. I'd also have a -40F freezer.
For home use, my approach is quite a bit freer.

Our home roasted coffee stored in mason jars in the cupboard, and occasionally carefully frozen to accommodate the overrun from an experimental roasting marathon, is still better than anything else we get locally.


I love the pop of the mason jar's & that heavenly smell also! {:-D
Michael Sivetz on freezing & preservation patent. I agree wholeheartedly Larry..., too much technical stuff doe's take the fun out of our hobby/passion, at time's.

 
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