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Posted Fri Dec 12, 2003, 12:34am
Subject: Blue Cloud Green Coffee ??????????
 

Hello,

I recently purchase 5 lbs  Blue Cloud Robusta / Moka Blend and 5 lbs Blue Cloud Arabica green beans and think it was a big mistake. Both batches roast very uneven and taste like dirt. I'm using a WB Poppery II and tried different roasts, but it all tastes like @#$%!

Has anyone had a positive expierence with Blue Cloud coffee? If so, please let me know what I'm doing wrong. I'm new at the home roasting thing, and may just have learned why not to stray from SweetMarias.com for my greens.

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Posted Wed Dec 17, 2003, 1:46pm
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I haven't tried their coffee but if you are referring to the blue cloud coffee that sells on ebay, the coffee is from Vietnam.  They(viet growers) are considered to produce lousy, low grade mostly robusta coffee.  Their elevation and soil is not optimal for coffee growth.  I am no expert but this is what I am reading through the articles I have seen.  They are a relative newcomer and are flooding the market with cheap lousy beans.  Most of the commercial (read maxwell house, folgers, etc) use their beans and have to process them with I think some type of hot steam to make it drinkable.  I will see if I can find the article, maybe it was on scaa's site.
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Posted Sun Dec 21, 2003, 11:05am
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This is Vietnamese coffee and when prepared in the traditional style can be excellent (let the flaming begin).
Brewed very strong and served with sweetened condensed milk (pours like cake frosting) is good hot though my preference is served over ice.
Again this is not Kona or Jamaica Blue Mountain and many people dismiss it outright as 'bad coffee' - just keep in mind that it shouldn't be prepared like other coffees
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Posted Sun Dec 21, 2003, 9:10pm
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We tried their beans before we started to import, thinking they might be a possible source for our business.  When we received their "beans" we quickly decided to strike out on our own and import ourselves.  I agre the Robusta leaves a little to be desired, but the Arabica is better, and the government in Vietnam is starting to devote more land for the production of Arabica coffee.  As for Blue Cloud, they are indeed dumping on the market, and from what I understand they have gone under a couple of times already only to resurface like a floating dead fish.  My opinion of course.
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Posted Sun Dec 21, 2003, 9:22pm
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Oh, just an afterthought, they're robusta/moka are actually two types of beans.  The Robusta is the "average" quality, and the Moka is an even cheaper quality (if you can imagine that).  We started selling our coffee on eBay, but Blue Clot quickly stopped that with their $0.01 per pound auctions.  Who can compete with that?  We try to run an honest business, but nobody can compete when there is dumping involved.  Of course eBay turned a deaf ear.  Hence the reason we struck out on our own.
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Posted Mon Dec 22, 2003, 9:50am
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Couldn't find the exact article I was referring to.  However there are a ton out there, google it.  Here is a quote from organicafe.com -"In order to address this issue, the Vietnamese government has purchased and stockpiled domestically grown coffee. Also, in August 2001, Vietnam signed the International Coffee Agreement at the United Nations headquarters in New York City.

Even the Vietnamese government seems willing to concede that the nation's coffee export, generally speaking, is of a lower grade than that of other countries. The aforementioned Vietnam Embassy press release admits that "for many years now, Viet Nam has paid more attention to increasing the quantity of farm products when it needed to pay more attention to their quality and world market demand." Another Embassy article explains that the "wanton expansion of coffee plantations in Central Highlands Tay Nguyen with little regard for soil ecology resulted in coffee plant diseases and a low-quality bean that drove export prices down." In a speech given to the International Coffee Association, Doan Trieu Nhan, Chairman of the Vietnam Coffee-Cocoa Association, described a state plan to diversify the country's robusta-saturated coffee growth and output, growing more arabica in the northern region of the country. "

It takes an extremely long time to grow and allow Arabica coffee plants to mature to quality bean producing plants.  Even if they buy mature plants and transplant them, it should take quite a few years for a significant amount of high quality arabica coffee to be produced.  There are only a few areas (northern) of Vietnam suitable to Arabica plants that are sensitive to low elevations and poor soil conditions.
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Posted Tue Dec 23, 2003, 7:59pm
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I am using blue cloud coffee along with about 5 other types, (being new to coffee roasting) I have alot to learn. It doesn't taste any worse than several others I have tried. ( still trying to learn )
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Posted Wed Dec 24, 2003, 6:05am
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jbjwallace Said:

I am using blue cloud coffee along with about 5 other types, (being new to coffee roasting) I have alot to learn. It doesn't taste any worse than several others I have tried. ( still trying to learn )

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What other beans are you trying?  There are bad coffee growers everywhere.  Even quality producers products can vary from year to year due to growing conditions.  Don't assume just because a bean is say, papua new guinea means it is great.  It could be from a lousy farm, a holdover from past years, or even be a blend from a not so reputable seller.  There will even be variations in beans from the same region in the same year, generally first crops aren't as good as second crops, etc. etc.  Make sure your beans are from reputable dealers.  Roasts, grind, and brewing method even produce different results.
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Posted Mon Dec 29, 2003, 4:55am
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I am not saying these are bad. Remember I am new to this,Mexican (Nayarit),Brazilian (Bela Flor), Ethiopian (Sidmo) and Sumatra(not sure of spelling)
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Posted Wed May 7, 2014, 1:43pm
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There is a special technique to roasting Robusta beans. You can't just put it in a popcorn popper and turn it brown. The Blue Cloud robusta from Vietnam is a perfect example of this. First of all, the chemistry of the bean is very different from Arabica. There's a high percentage of sugar and caffeine in the green coffee and this must be taken into account when roasting. Robusta needs to have an even roasting pace to first crack, heat needs to be reduced, then brought back to temperature to a rolling 2nd crack. I've purchased several hundred pounds of the Blue Cloud V. Robusta... when roasted properly, you get a sweet bittersweet chocolate in the cup with a baker's chocolate finish. When prepared as espresso, you get crema you can ski on. Plus, the intense caffeine and caramelized sugar content will give a strong buzz...even a euphoric high to those who give it a whirl. So, get rid of the popcorn popper, and put some real heat into the roast...you'll come up with a great coffee.
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