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Posted Sat Jan 22, 2011, 8:06am
Subject: Planetary Airscape Storage Container (for coffee beans)
 

I just bought this but haven't used it yet.  I thought it may be a good idea to store coffee beans.  Does anyone have one?  I just wondered if this would save me from buying a Food Vacuum Sealer and freezing the beans.  Just wanted opinions on it.  I bought the 64 oz and there is a black lid that pushes down to the top of the level of beans (or whatever you store in it) and then a handle flips down to lock the air out.  Then a clear lid with a seal goes on top.  Is this okay or should I still be freezing the beans.

Looked at a vacuum sealer, and though pricey, wondering where to put all this stuff as there is very limited counter space in the kitchen.  What should I do?
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Posted Fri Apr 18, 2014, 1:11pm
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Excellent storage.
Never, ever, ever freeze your coffee! ;)
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Posted Fri Apr 18, 2014, 1:29pm
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KaraLynn Said:

I just bought this but haven't used it yet.  I thought it may be a good idea to store coffee beans.  Does anyone have one?  I just wondered if this would save me from buying a Food Vacuum Sealer and freezing the beans.  Just wanted opinions on it.  I bought the 64 oz and there is a black lid that pushes down to the top of the level of beans (or whatever you store in it) and then a handle flips down to lock the air out.  Then a clear lid with a seal goes on top.  Is this okay or should I still be freezing the beans.

Looked at a vacuum sealer, and though pricey, wondering where to put all this stuff as there is very limited counter space in the kitchen.  What should I do?

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Any airtight container will become pressurized by the natural degassing of fresh roasted coffee beans rendering it useless.  I always freeze my fresh roasted beans right away and noticed that the degassing process is inhibited by the freezing process.  Once I take the beans out of the freezer they will then start to degas as if they were just roasted.  I really do not see what the issue of freezing, when done properly, is.

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Posted Fri Apr 18, 2014, 1:57pm
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Beckett Said:

Excellent storage.
Never, ever, ever freeze your coffee! ;)

Posted April 18, 2014 link

I can't say anything about the container but I have found that when done properly, freezing is an EXCELLENT way to get a little more time from your fresh roast coffee beans. A lot of others feel the same way too.

A few people say they can taste the difference. A lot can not taste any difference, try it and see for yourself.

Freeze in small lots, enough to use in a few days.  Remove as much air as possible, (I use freezer bags) and place in the coldest part of the freezer.

Remove only a single bag at a time and do not open it until it reaches room temp to avoid moisture from forming on the beans. Use them in a few days.

They will still continue to age in the freezer but at a much slower rate.

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Posted Fri Apr 18, 2014, 2:00pm
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calblacksmith Said:

I can't say anything about the container but I have found that when done properly, freezing is an EXCELLENT way to get a little more time from your fresh roast coffee beans. A lot of others feel the same way too.

A few people say they can taste the difference. A lot can not taste any difference, try it and see for yourself.

Freeze in small lots, enough to use in a few days.  Remove as much air as possible, (I use freezer bags) and place in the coldest part of the freezer.

Remove only a single bag at a time and do not open it until it reaches room temp to avoid moisture from forming on the beans. Use them in a few days.

They will still continue to age in the freezer but at a much slower rate.

YMMV!

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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 7:59am
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Any airtight container will become pressurized by the natural degassing of fresh roasted coffee beans rendering it useless.

Posted April 18, 2014 link

Len,

Without disputing yours, our experience is other. We store a lot of coffee in Coffeevacs and find they slow the aging/staling continuum by about a third, compared to storing in containers which aren't airtight.

We also bag and store in sealed bags with one way valves, and find they work about as well, plus are more convenient for storing.  The downsides of bagging are that bagging requires an impulse sealer ($30) bags aren't reusable -- at least not more than once; bags aren't cheap; ordinary bags generate a tremendous amount of  waste; and biodegradable, compostable bags are less cheap still -- about 50cts a bag  when everything's said and done.

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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 8:36am
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KaraLynn Said:

I just bought ... the 64 oz... Is this okay or should I still be freezing the beans.

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My wife and I have a bunch of Coffeevac containers which we use for storing and aging the ten pounds or so I roast per week.  We've been using them for about a year now, and believe airtight containers work to slow the aging and staling processes by about a third.  There's no reason the Airscape design shouldn't work as well.  

You want a container at least a little larger than a "tight fit," so there's room for the beans to outgas.  However, 64oz is too large for ordinary home use, although the "adjustable" nature of the Airscape might make it workable.  

The full 1lb size Coffeevac is too big for most folks' freezers; but the 1/2lb size Coffevac isn't bad.  FWIW, Coffeevacs are washable and indefinitely reusable.  

Looked at a vacuum sealer, and though pricey, wondering where to put all this stuff as there is very limited counter space in the kitchen.  What should I do?

Vacuum sealing doesn't work as well as storing airtight or storing in the kind of disposable, valved bags that roasters use.  

Bags might be your best option.  

I'm attaching a picture which shows two 1lb Coffeevacs (green and brown) and two different kinds of valved bags.  The black foil bag (tape label), is the kind most commonly used; they're easy to find and not too expensive.  The brown bag with our Skulking Cat label is completely compostable  (60 days, about; the Avery labels are biodegradable as well) and expensive.  You can find zip top, valved, foil/plastic bags, but both of my bag types require an impulse sealer ($30, and something else to store).

Hope this helps,
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Posted Tue Apr 22, 2014, 9:24am
Subject: Re: Planetary Airscape Storage Container (for coffee beans)
 

KaraLynn, the Airscape looks nice to me.

You can't avoid oxygen entirely of course. The Airscape is good since like an airtight bag it reduces in volume to the size that the beans are occupying. However the beans have air space in between them, probably something in the neighborhood of 50%. That is, 1 liter of beans is something like half a liter of air. In addition, every time you open the container you introduce fresh air. So the oxygen is unavoidable but at least the Airscape minimizes it. I was thinking of buying one but it seemed a little expensive to me. I just use an ordinary jar for beans kept at room temperature.

I keep almost all of my coffee in bags in the freezer.
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Posted Mon May 5, 2014, 12:10pm
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I have two of these and they are great. Then again, I don't do long term storage. I basically roast, or buy, what i'm going to consume and store it in there. I was never one for making excess and freezing it, i'd rather just leave the bean green.
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