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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 8:29am
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Hi Folks. I'm new to this forum.

I got a Kalita Wave 185 several months ago and have not been able to get a consistent cup of coffee out of the thing.  I've looked at Cho's video. I've tried this method https://www.craftcoffee.com/how-to-make-coffee/kalita-wave-brew-guide.  I'm using a Baratza Virtuouso grinder and have tried settings anywhere from 17 to 28.  It does not matter what grind size I try as the brew times are very inconsistent.  For example, with the Craft method noted in this post, brew time at a 24 setting was about 3:30.  I increased the grind size to 28 and the brew time was about 3:40.  Anyone have similar issues or any advice?
The V60 has always been the model of consistency compared to this thing.
Thanks.
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:39am
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The first and only question you should be concerned about is how your coffee tastes..

Fixing problem should always point to the cup.. Don't focus on your brew time and grind size expectations.  Those are your dials, not your target.

So I ask, how does your coffee taste?  What's the issue in the cup?
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:04am
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z0mbie Said:

The first and only question you should be concerned about is how your coffee tastes..

Fixing problem should always point to the cup.. Don't focus on your brew time and grind size expectations.  Those are your dials, not your target.

So I ask, how does your coffee taste?  What's the issue in the cup?

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+1.
Interestingly, I've found the Kalita considerably MORE consistent than my Hario v2.
No blame on the Hario, most likely operator malfunction on occasions. ;>D

Personally, I think Nick Cho's video is a bit frivolous...maybe wrong words, but he's all over the place with that pour. (If it's the one where he's got water nearly behind the filter.)
If Prima, or someone else has a more 'traditional" Kalita demo vid, I'd go there.

I'm assuming the OP is using fresh, artisan roasted coffee in the Virtuoso?

 
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:14pm
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Thanks Zombie. The coffee does not taste good.  Seems to be missing "something".
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:50pm
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Interesting, I found that I am able to create more repeatable results with the Kalita than with my V60. I struggled for awhile with the Kalita, always finding my cup to be a little on the bitter/over extracted side, despite brew time of around 3:15-3:30 min. I remedied the bitterness by changing my technique (I was using a similar technique demonstrated by Nicholas Cho, probably the same video you are referencing). I have found that if I use a pulse brew technique, avoiding the perimeter near the paper filter, I get a much cleaner/sweeter cup of coffee. I currently use the technique demonstrate by Tom in the Sweetmaria's youtube video titled "Pour-Over Brewing Technique" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6OdG39pfTU
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 2:44pm
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Thanks Boulder. That's exactly what I get is an over extracted cup.  I will check out the video.
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 7:18pm
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IMAWriter Said:

+1.

I'm assuming the OP is using fresh, artisan roasted coffee in the Virtuoso?

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Yes, in Portland -- Heart Roasters, Stumptown and Coava.
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Posted Fri Jun 20, 2014, 9:23pm
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rizzo Said:

Thanks Boulder. That's exactly what I get is an over extracted cup.  I will check out the video.

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Cool, let us know if you find a find a new technique that gives you better results.
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Posted Sat Jun 21, 2014, 2:04pm
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rizzo Said:

Thanks Zombie. The coffee does not taste good.  Seems to be missing "something".

Posted June 20, 2014 link

that... je ne sais quoi, perhaps?   If my coffee doesn't produce an "ahhhhhhh yes" after the first sip, it's a fail :)

You know, I never thought much of pouring methods, I suppose it's yet another factor that i suppose one could mess their cup up with.

I suppose the most important aspect of this is the timing, more so than the pattern, which I think has less of an impact (unless you're consantly pouring the water right down the side of the filter).    Anyway, if water is continually poured into the cone with complete disregard to the extraction, the result will be an less than optimal.  Tend to the extraction and be rewarded with a great cup.. Steady, gentle introduction of water never hurts. Your target should always be to get the water to flow through a full, even bed of grounds.  So it's crucial to let the grounds settle after each pour.  If water is poured too quickly, the resulting brew will be over-extracted.
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