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TheCoffeePeople76
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 6:10am
Subject: Good Or Bad : Factory PID'ed Espresso Machines
 

Imagine being able to buy an espresso machine with an option for factory pid,

Usually a purist would have a pressure gauge beak on the porta, grouphead temperature sensor, boiler temperature sensor and controller, steam wand temperature sensor (see here:http://www.google.com/patents/WO1991003951A1?cl=en)

What is your opinion?

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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 6:26am
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There are already machines with factory PID's -- they're just not optional features.  Are you referring to entry level machines built to a lower price point like the Silvia in the photo?

Options are always good.  One size never fits all despite generalizations like "Usually a purist...".  Purist is a fairly vague term and could mean just about anything.  I'd take purist to mean one who doesn't want all those gizmos.  A purist would probably use a lever as that's about as basic as it gets.  In any case, what one purist or another wants or doesn't want isn't relevant to me.  CoffeeGeeks aren't necessarily purists but they are enthusiasts.  I've found my PID's to be useful.  YMMV.
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 7:09am
Subject: Re: Good Or Bad : Factory PID'ed Espresso Machines
 

TheCoffeePeople76 Said:

Imagine being able to buy an espresso machine with an option for factory pid,

Posted May 15, 2014 link

Could you reword this? There are a lot of machines that come with PID control already on the market and they have been available for quite some time.
Looking at all your posts here, I think the language problem is going to make things difficult for us.

Usually a purist would have a.. pressure gauge beak on the porta.

Or built into the machine as it is on virtually all machine over $900 USD or so.

grouphead temperature sensor

Works on some E-61 and similar exposed groups, and is available and useful, but certainly not necessary.

boiler temperature sensor and controller

Without one the boiler can explode, so yes, that is a good thing.

steam wand temperature sensor

!? That's a new one for me.

 
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 8:02am
Subject: Re: Good Or Bad : Factory PID'ed Espresso Machines
 

TheCoffeePeople76 Said:

Imagine being able to buy an espresso machine with an option for factory pid,

Usually a purist would have a pressure gauge beak on the porta, grouphead temperature sensor, boiler temperature sensor and controller, steam wand temperature sensor (see here:http://www.google.com/patents/WO1991003951A1?cl=en)

What is your opinion?

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The referenced steam sensor is to a sensor patent on the steam wand to measure the temp of the fluid being steamed, not the temp of the steam.

Yes, many machines have factory PID units, Sylvia does not though so I am guessing that the pic is to a machine that the OP found online as they do not own a Sylvia per their bio information, rather a modded Saeco Aroma.

 
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 6:13pm
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I found a patent for an upcomming mod for the steam (or as i like to say magic) wand.

http://www.google.com/patents/WO1991003951A1?cl=en)
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 6:20pm
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Manual Vs Semi

Manual: Hard To Get Consistent Pressure (My Main Problem)

Semi Auto: Easy Consistent Pressure , Controlled Temperature (PID) , Monitor Exit Temps , boiler temps even be able to control the boiler temps.

Therefore Semi Auto does great, the right brew temp, grind size , tamping , dosing , pressure. Helps a lot.

Dont give semi auto criticism, it can achieve what manual does, just a little more convienent guys.
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Good Or Bad : Factory PID'ed Espresso Machines
 

Not sure what your posts are trying to achieve, their coming home off odd, not sure if your using Google translate/language barrier? My CC1 comes equipped with full PID control and an interface to control everything.
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Posted Thu May 15, 2014, 8:21pm
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Thanks for feedback guys. (Im not familiar with forums , btw )
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