Our Valued Sponsor
OpinionsConsumer ReviewsGuides and How TosCoffeeGeek ReviewsResourcesForums
Espresso: Espresso Blends
Why does coffee in the bulk bins suck?
Rocket R58 Double Boiler
Rocket Espresso R58 Double Boiler -  Everything you need for the perfect shot!
www.seattlecoffeegear.com
 
Not Logged in: Log In to Postlog in
New Topics updated topics   New Posts new posts   Unanswered Posts new unanswered  
Search Discussion Board search   Discussion Board FAQ faq   Signup sign up  
Discussions > Espresso > blends > Why does coffee...  
view previous topic | view next topic | view all topics
Author Messages
coffeeshone
Senior Member


Joined: 29 Nov 2011
Posts: 53
Location: NY, NY
Expertise: I love coffee

Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 11:28am
Subject: Why does coffee in the bulk bins suck?
 

Hello folks,
Curious if any of the experts out there have anything to say on this topic. I belong to a huge food coop in Brooklyn that gets frequent deliveries of fresh coffee sold in bulk dispensers. I know for a fact that the products move very quickly and are within a week of roast date, however, they have about a dozen different varieties, some from local roasters (Crop to Cup) and others (Pachamama, Equal Exchange, etc.)
Problem is that I can never seems to get a good tasting espresso shot from any of them, so despite the value, I end up ordering redbird or Counter Culture from another local market.

My question is this- Do the beans just spoil very fast because they are exposed to to much air in the bulk dispensers, or is it that the varieties they carry aren't good for espresso?
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
emradguy
Senior Member
emradguy
Joined: 31 Mar 2011
Posts: 3,157
Location: Houston
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Duetto II; Twist v2
Grinder: M Major, Macap M4, Pharos,...
Drip: Espro presses; Aeropress
Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 11:40am
Subject: Re: Why does coffee in the bulk bins suck?
 

coffeeshone Said:

My question is this- Do the beans just spoil very fast because they are exposed to to much air in the bulk dispensers, or is it that the varieties they carry aren't good for espresso?

Posted August 17, 2012 link

Although I don't at all consider myself an expert, I think I know enough to chime in...

Most likely the former is the culprit. Most foods, to avoid rapid spoiling, are placed in airtight containers (often vacuum sealed, and sometimes purged with nitrogen, or placed in a freezer or refrigerator. Why should coffee beans be any different?  If you try to compare them to other produce left out in the bins, they're lacking one very important thing...an outer skin or shell.  Espresso can really be made with any degree of roast.  Since you are making good espresso with other coffees (such as Red Bird), you obviously have an idea how to grind and pull a shot properly.

EDIT: As Steve points out, freshness won't help a "crappy product".  I'm probably giving your "local roasters" too much credit.   I haven't ever heard of any of them or tried any of their beans, but figured since they're local roasters, maybe they did indeed make a decent roast.  Then again, I should have considered their willingness to drop their beans into some open bulk bin.

 
.
Always remember the most important thing is what ends up in your cup!
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
SteveRhinehart
Senior Member
SteveRhinehart
Joined: 27 Dec 2009
Posts: 855
Location: Syracuse, NY
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: 1970s La Pavoni Europiccola
Grinder: Baratza Vario, Hario Skerton
Vac Pot: Yama Tabletop 3-cup
Drip: Chemex, CCD, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Flavorwave/Stir Crazy
Posted Fri Aug 17, 2012, 2:13pm
Subject: Re: Why does coffee in the bulk bins suck?
 

emradguy Said:

Although I don't at all consider myself an expert, I think I know enough to chime in...

Most likely the former is the culprit. Most foods, to avoid rapid spoiling, are placed in airtight containers (often vacuum sealed, and sometimes purged with nitrogen, or placed in a freezer or refrigerator. Why should coffee beans be any different?  If you try to compare them to other produce left out in the bins, they're lacking one very important thing...an outer skin or shell.  Espresso can really be made with any degree of roast.  Since you are making good espresso with other coffees (such as Red Bird), you obvously have an idea how to grind and pull a shot properly.

Posted August 17, 2012 link

I'm inclined to disagree, at least as far as the shots are concerned. I think the simple fact is that the coffees that go into bulk bins aren't usually of terrific quality to begin with. It could be anything from cheap green to shoddy roasts, priced to move. Doesn't matter how fresh it is if it's a crappy product to start. OP's mention of Equal Exchange indicated to me that it's probably just poor quality - EE to me is a company that puts message before product. Of course, sitting out in the open air isn't exactly ideal for storage anyway.
back to top
 View Profile Visit website Link to this post
FrankyD
Senior Member


Joined: 27 Jul 2012
Posts: 58
Location: Davis, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Starbucks Barista
Grinder: Baratza Preciso/Kyocera...
Drip: Bodum French Press
Roaster: WB Poppery I
Posted Thu Aug 23, 2012, 6:03am
Subject: Re: Why does coffee in the bulk bins suck?
 

I've actually bought Equal Exchange's coffee twice at my local coop as well and have twice been really dissatisfied. No matter what it is, both have this weird aroma about them...akin to a metallic smell. Pachamama has been great though.

I'm lucky to have a few micro roasters in my city, but it really helps to ask them when they get their shipments/restock the bins, because after a week, they fall flat really fast.
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
JasonBrandtLewis
Senior Member
JasonBrandtLewis
Joined: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 6,410
Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:42am
Subject: Re: Why does coffee in the bulk bins suck?
 

SteveRhinehart Said:

I'm inclined to disagree, at least as far as the shots are concerned. I think the simple fact is that the coffees that go into bulk bins aren't usually of terrific quality to begin with.

Posted August 17, 2012 link

Same quality coffee . . . one in sealed bags with one-way gas valves; the other in bins . . . guess which one sucks?  ;^)

 
A morning without coffee is sleep . . .
back to top
 View Profile Link to this post
view previous topic | view next topic | view all topics
Discussions > Espresso > blends > Why does coffee...  
New Topics updated topics   New Posts new posts   Unanswered Posts new unanswered     Search Discussion Board search   Discussion Board FAQ faq   Signup sign up  
Not Logged in: Log In to Postlog in
Discussions Quick Jump:
Symbols: New Posts= New Posts since your last visit      No New Posts= No New Posts since last visit     Go to most recent post= Newest post
Forum Rules:
No profanity, illegal acts or personal attacks will be tolerated in these discussion boards.
No commercial posting of any nature will be tolerated; only private sales by private individuals, in the "Buy and Sell" forum.
No SEO style postings will be tolerated. SEO related posts will result in immediate ban from CoffeeGeek.
No cross posting allowed - do not post your topic to more than one forum, nor repost a topic to the same forum.
Who Can Read The Forum? Anyone can read posts in these discussion boards.
Who Can Post New Topics? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post new topics.
Who Can Post Replies? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post replies.
Can Photos be posted? Anyone can post photos in their new topics or replies.
Who can change or delete posts? Any CoffeeGeek member can edit their own posts. Only moderators can delete posts.
Probationary Period: If you are a new signup for CoffeeGeek, you cannot promote, endorse, criticise or otherwise post an unsolicited endorsement for any company, product or service in your first five postings.
Home Espresso Machines
Watch videos with Gail & Kat, Rocket, Jura Capresso, Saeco, Rancilio, Quick Mill, Nespresso
www.seattlecoffeegear.com
Home | Opinions | Consumer Reviews | Guides & How Tos | CoffeeGeek Reviews | Resources | Forums | Contact Us
CoffeeGeek.com, CoffeeGeek, and Coffee Geek, along with all associated content & images are copyright ©2000-2014 by Mark Prince, all rights reserved, unless otherwise indicated. Content, code, and images may not be reused without permission. Usage of this website signifies agreement with our Terms and Conditions. (0.243102073669)
Privacy Policy | Copyright Info | Terms and Conditions | CoffeeGeek Advertisers | RSS | Find us on Google+