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Posted Tue Jul 2, 2013, 5:03am
Subject: Dialing in CC1 for the second time (Need help from Redbird drinkers)
 

Without writing a book, I am having to learn my CC1 all over again because, evidently, I have had a defective pressure valve since new or thereabouts.

For months I have been trying to find the best tastes to only throw most shots down the sink. I now know that much of this was because my brew pressure was low and I didn't know it. The problem is that I spent months trying to find the "best" taste and the best I could do (which was not very good), was usually around 19 grams of coffee with around 28 to 32 grams of total yield. I put this in about 6oz of milk. 28 to 32 grams usually graduates out at about 1.5 to 1.75 ounces after the crema settles a bit.

Trying that same approach now that I have more pressure seems to be giving me a much more pleasing taste, but a little weak in my milk drinks. It takes me a long time to make adjustments because I tend to only make one drink a day (the evening drinks keep me awake at bed time).

Do I need to up my yield? Use less milk?  If I lower the amount of milk at the ratios. I will have a very small drinks. Many moons ago, I used a smaller cheap espresso machine (probably non pressurized) and I would fill a little small 3oz stainless pitcher with espresso and make my milk drinks with that, but when I first started with the CC1 pours with that high of a yield were nasty. I may be able to do a bigger shot now that I have more pressure... have not tried that yet.

Sorry to ask so many questions but the new pressure valve has totally changed my machine (for the better I think) and I feel like I am starting with a brand new machine that I need to learn how t dial in.
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:25am
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I found less milk was better.  I am down to 3-4 oz per pull now.  Do 2 pulls and use 8 oz of milk in one glass.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:44am
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Interesting, I also use less and less milk and more coffee.  Currently I get around the volume problem, "small drinks," with 2 doubles of Redbird at about 30 gms each and about 3 - 5 oz of milk depending on my whim. That would not help you at night unless you start mixing in decaf :)

 
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Posted Thu Jul 4, 2013, 6:31pm
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I've been reading a lot of your CC1 experiences recently and it's just got me thinking.. I use a 3 group La Cimbali M32 heat exchanger at work and while it's "awesome" I ALWAYS look forward to using my CC1 at home. I just find the drinks are so much better on it. Something about the PID and slower steam that really let me bring out the sweetness of the shot and the milk, unlike the overly powerful La Cimbali.

I'll try and chime in about my experiences with Red Bird when I finally get around to it (I love having the problem of too many coffees to try--right now I'm working through metropolis red line, victrola streamline, new sweet maria's workshop blends, and maybe Verve's streetlevel revision). I can't honestly say any bean has given me too much trouble on the CC1. In fact, I'm sure the CC1 is the reason I am able to decide if I really like or dislike the blend rather than pointing the blame for a lame shot at my machine.

Hopefully you find the sweet spot with the machine. Post back if you find a good dose and temp.
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