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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2012, 7:14pm
Subject: Help me plan to plumb in
 

Hello all,

Ok, I'm planning to upgrade my espresso setup.  Equipment not yet determined, but it will be plumbed in.  I'm looking for info on how to do this.

First off, here's my current setup.  See attached.

At the moment, the cabinets serve as liquor storage.  I'd like to keep that there but I'm willing to relocate all that.

There's a water line that feeds the bar sink.  Here's what it looks like in the cabinets.  Those two outlets go into the hot/cold sides of the faucet... only cold water is dispensed.  See attachment on post below.

My water is on the hard side so I will need a softening system, too.  I was thinking of something like the kit from Chris Coffee
Click Here (www.chriscoffee.com)

Not sure if that will work for me.  I've seen some setups with a gauge, do I need that?  Also, is it possible to plumb in my drain, too?  Any guidance/recommendations are appreciated.

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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2012, 7:15pm
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The photo of under cabinet attached.

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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2012, 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Help me plan to plumb in
 

bamaster Said:

Hello all,

Ok, I'm planning to upgrade my espresso setup.  Equipment not yet determined, but it will be plumbed in.  I'm looking for info on how to do this.

First off, here's my current setup.  See attached.

At the moment, the cabinets serve as liquor storage.  I'd like to keep that there but I'm willing to relocate all that.

There's a water line that feeds the bar sink.  Here's what it looks like in the cabinets.  Those two outlets go into the hot/cold sides of the faucet... only cold water is dispensed.  See attachment on post below.

My water is on the hard side so I will need a softening system, too.  I was thinking of something like the kit from Chris Coffee
Click Here (www.chriscoffee.com)

Not sure if that will work for me.  I've seen some setups with a gauge, do I need that?  Also, is it possible to plumb in my drain, too?  Any guidance/recommendations are appreciated.

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That's the same filter system that I used on my commercial machine. It just tee's off of the cold water feeding the sink. And for the drain, I just ran a short length of hose over to the sink edge, since my machine is right next to the sink also. (Surely you could do a cleaner install than I did, depending on how big a hole you're willing to drill in the counter. )

Yes, you will most likely need a pressure regulator. My mains pressure was 5.5 bar and using the regulator I can bring it down to 4, 3, 2 or whatever pressure I want to pre-infuse at.

Also, a one way valve between the filter system and the machine is a good idea. Prevents any possible backflow in the boilers/HX.

- James

 
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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2012, 8:49pm
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Good information, James!

I found a neat diagram on a different setup, which I found useful
Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

Here's what I'm thinking.  What do you think?  Should I add a shut-off valve or two?

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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2012, 9:31pm
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bamaster Said:

Good information, James!

I found a neat diagram on a different setup, which I found useful
Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

Here's what I'm thinking.  What do you think?  Should I add a shut-off valve or two?

Posted February 23, 2012 link

Looks about right as long as that water tap already has it's own line.

I have a shut off valve before and after the filtration system. Nice peace of mind when going out of town. (Turn off machine, turn off water supply)

 
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Posted Thu Feb 23, 2012, 9:51pm
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I have two articles on the subject, and they detail what I did to install the same system you are considering:

The planning stage:
http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/water1.html
The installation:
http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/water2.html

Later I bought a refillable filter cartridge. I cut open the original filter cartridge and recharged the beads using a saturated solution of Kosher salt. These then went into the reusable cartridge. I recharge the beads about every two to three months.

 
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2012, 9:53am
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That's fantastic stuff, Randy!

Yes, I found one of your drawing through some Googling.  I will call Chris Coffee soon to make my order.  Haven't made a decision on the new machine yet, right now it's between the Duetto and the VBM DD.  

Follow up question... what about the drip tray drain?  Would I just tap into the P-trap?

 
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Posted Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:42am
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Draining the waste can be a complicated issue. If your machine is near the sink it may be easier. I looked into proper methods in regards to plumbing codes and decided that the machine was too far from a drain to deal with doing it safely. Remember that sewage gasses can be not good, and if the sink drain backs up you don't want waste pumped back into the espresso machine. I drain into a 3 gallon jug in my cart and empty it when it is about 1/3 full which is about ten days to two weeks worth (a guess). Check with a plumber about the safe way to drain the waste.

Also, think about a pressure regulator for the supply line, and use 3/8" tubing.

 
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