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Posted Mon Nov 5, 2012, 9:45am
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What is the ideal tempreture of an espresso shot once it's in the cup?  I pulled a few empty shots to see what tempreture I would get.  the highest temp I got is 160'F. is this ideal?
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Posted Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:09pm
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temp in the cup is "after it matters".  In other words, you should be analyzing extraction temp, and that varies along with what beans you are using.  In short, if your shots are sour, your extraction temp is probably too low, and if they're bitter, your extraction temp is probably too high.

 
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Posted Mon Nov 5, 2012, 1:43pm
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Without a boiler temp sensor would the best way to do this is to place the thermometer under the portafilter (naked) as close as I can get to the basket bottom?  My shots are on the bitter side. . I just realized I'm not purging any water and allowing the temp to recover before pulling a shot. :S  Should probably start there.
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Posted Mon Nov 5, 2012, 2:47pm
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If you're really a pro barista, running a 2 group machine, the "best" thing to do is invest in a Scace.

 
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Posted Mon Nov 5, 2012, 6:12pm
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Too many variables to give such a figure any value whatsoever. pre-extraction cup temperature. ambient air temperature, distance from group to cup, consistency of the diameter of the stream, stream density, etc., will all effect the value not to mention the speed and accuracy of the measuring device. Using a stick thermometer? You have to be kidding! Even with a low-mass thermocouple it would be a fairly useless data point.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 6, 2012, 3:17am
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Speaking as a complete barista novice, I am interested in what Burner0000 said, is there actually an ideal temperature? Or does this really vary case to case? Thanks guys.
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Posted Tue Nov 6, 2012, 4:09am
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Burner0000 Said:

What is the ideal tempreture of an espresso shot once it's in the cup?

Posted November 5, 2012 link

Well, at least the Istituto Nazionale Espresso Italiano states that the temperature of the drink in the cup ought to be around 153F.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 6, 2012, 6:54am
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I don't have my 2 group hooked up so I won't be investing in a Scace any time soon.  I wanted to see how much temp I was losing with my Delonghi.  I'm taking notes for when I do my upgrade hopefully around Xmas.  (Pavoni, CC1 or Oscar)  I have also been messing around with temp surfing to see if I can improve my shot quality.  NobbyR  that temp was what I got almost exactly. I got just above 150'F.  I am aware that it all comes down to taste, I am just entertaining the technical route in case I have trouble with taste depending on the bean.  I usually drink SO espresso so it can be a bit hard with a lighter roast sometimes.
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