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brianl
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 6:31am
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Nurk2 Said:

Hey Brian - It took me years to finally pull the trigger on a "real" espresso machine. And over the last couple of weeks of reading this and a few other internet espresso boards, I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that I'm just not fussy enough to hang. Seriously. I bang the MDF on the counter (gently!) a couple times until I don't get anymore stuff coming out, then I proceed with the next dose.

That might be enough right there to get my membership revoked!
8^D


There are two local roasters in Syracuse. One appears to be doing almost exclusively full city+, which might be too much for me. He's pulled a couple for me, and so far I don't get a lot of flavor out of them until I'm nearly to the last sip. The other, by reputation, might be less interested in espresso roasting then just roasting/brewing a good cuppa joe. I haven't tried him yet.

But I have tried the Redline and liked it. Next up is Red Bird, and then Intelligentsia Black Cat. And then... who knows? I'm really enjoying the journey.

Posted October 22, 2013 link

Did I mention my old MDF has chips and scratches all over it ? ;) Based on what you said, you probably want to skip the red bird, as it's roasted full city+. If you want the best...you need to get a bag of Bow Truss and Barismo (chicago and boston respectively). My favorites with them are the 'brighter' coffees in espresso (last time I had a Single Origin from RWANDA, which even my fussy espresso hating girlfriend loved [She is still a good sport and will taste any that I hold in front of her and she loves cortados and macchiatos]). With those two, i finally found roasters that make me realize I have a lot more to learn.
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brianl
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 6:35am
Subject: Re: My first pull with new Gaggio Classic (with pictures)
 

gophishin Said:

If you can, will you please post any links/article to adjusting the OPV without a gauge?  I've searched around, but haven't found a common consensus and/or a confident set of instructions.  Many thanks!

Posted October 22, 2013 link

Why? It literally cost like 8 bucks using the amazon links that I posted. You can probably take those specs and spend five bucks at home depot.

There is no consensus because it varies. I had to turn mine like 720 degrees to get to 10 bars static. I have a pretty old gaggia classic though. (pre 2007).
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 6:36am
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I totally would try all the ones people are recommending.  It is worth the taste just to say you did unless money is tight.  Also, I am a huge Redbird and blue jag blend fan.  Ristretto roasters in portland get their house blend to taste like butter.  I hear there is one with super blueberry taste.  Go for it life is too short not to try it all.

 
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brianl
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 6:39am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

I totally would try all the ones people are recommending.  It is worth the taste just to say you did unless money is tight.  Also, I am a huge Redbird and blue jag blend fan.  Ristretto roasters in portland get their house blend to taste like butter.  I hear there is one with super blueberry taste.  Go for it life is too short not to try it all.

Posted October 23, 2013 link

Funny you should mention blueberry. That RWANDA one I mentioned was super winey and fruity and blueberry was my girlfriend's first words after drinking it.

Of course blueberry is a side effect of updosing certain roasts using about 19g in a double (can even get it with redline).
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 7:30am
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brianl Said:

Why? It literally cost like 8 bucks using the amazon links that I posted. You can probably take those specs and spend five bucks at home depot.

There is no consensus because it varies. I had to turn mine like 720 degrees to get to 10 bars static. I have a pretty old gaggia classic though. (pre 2007).

Posted October 23, 2013 link

You guys are certainly right, I guess I was trying to think too ideally - that I might be able to get by without it.  I say that because, I have heard the portafilter can get beat up pretty bad removing the spouts (I don't yet have a second PF), although I'm sure there are ways to be careful.  From what I have read, there also seems to be a pretty consistent response that out of the box, the newer classics are around 12 bar, leading me to believe that a general range of adjustment would be consistent across those machines.  Exactly 9.5-10 bar, probably not, but better/lower than where it's at? maybe.  As with all things espresso, there really aren't any shortcuts, and I'll go about getting a gauge and doing it properly.  Thanks for the links.
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Nurk2
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 8:11am
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gophishin Said:

If you can, will you please post any links/article to adjusting the OPV without a gauge?  I've searched around, but haven't found a common consensus and/or a confident set of instructions.  Many thanks!

Posted October 22, 2013 link

It's easy to get to the little nut that you use to adjust it, so taking it apart and making minor adjustments is not a big deal. It will cost you a little coffee, though.

The recommended adjustment is to turn the nut 270-degrees (3/4's of a turn) counter-clockwise. Ultimately, that is where I ended up, though I did it over three adjustments of a 1/4 turn each. Adjust. Try. Adjust. Try.

Of course, the obvious downfall of doing this without a pressure gauge is, you're starting at an unknown pressure, and ending at an unknown pressure - so there you go. YMMV.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 8:17am
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brianl Said:

Did I mention my old MDF has chips and scratches all over it ? ;) Based on what you said, you probably want to skip the red bird, as it's roasted full city+. If you want the best...you need to get a bag of Bow Truss and Barismo (chicago and boston respectively). My favorites with them are the 'brighter' coffees in espresso (last time I had a Single Origin from RWANDA, which even my fussy espresso hating girlfriend loved [She is still a good sport and will taste any that I hold in front of her and she loves cortados and macchiatos]). With those two, i finally found roasters that make me realize I have a lot more to learn.

Posted October 23, 2013 link

Beat on that MDF. Show it who's the boss!

Too late. The Red Bird is on it's way!!! I loved the Redline. I think I'm going to like the Red Bird, too, and now I'm really curious to see how it compares to my local roaster-dude. Coffeenoobie, I looked at the Blue Jag a long time before deciding "...maybe next time."

I appreciate ALL the suggestions. I've gotten quite a list just from this thread alone - Blue Jag is on it.

It's truly a case of so much espresso, so little time...

 
If it sounds good, it is good.
~ Duke Ellington

If you sound bad on Squire through a Peavey Bandit, you're not going to sound good on a PRS through a Badcat.

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brianl
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 9:56am
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gophishin Said:

You guys are certainly right, I guess I was trying to think too ideally - that I might be able to get by without it.  I say that because, I have heard the portafilter can get beat up pretty bad removing the spouts (I don't yet have a second PF), although I'm sure there are ways to be careful.  From what I have read, there also seems to be a pretty consistent response that out of the box, the newer classics are around 12 bar, leading me to believe that a general range of adjustment would be consistent across those machines.  Exactly 9.5-10 bar, probably not, but better/lower than where it's at? maybe.  As with all things espresso, there really aren't any shortcuts, and I'll go about getting a gauge and doing it properly.  Thanks for the links.

Posted October 23, 2013 link

The spouts are easy to get off if you use an allen wrench. Just don't use pliers or a wrench as that will scratch it and stuff.
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brianl
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 9:57am
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Nurk2 Said:

Beat on that MDF. Show it who's the boss!

Too late. The Red Bird is on it's way!!! I loved the Redline. I think I'm going to like the Red Bird, too, and now I'm really curious to see how it compares to my local roaster-dude. Coffeenoobie, I looked at the Blue Jag a long time before deciding "...maybe next time."

I appreciate ALL the suggestions. I've gotten quite a list just from this thread alone - Blue Jag is on it.

It's truly a case of so much espresso, so little time...

Posted October 23, 2013 link

The redbird is cheap enough that it is hard to pass up. Just don't updose the red bird, I have never had good results doing that, ha. Then again you should experiment with everything. I have three baskets of varying sizes that I switch out with a new blend.
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Posted Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:26am
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gophishin Said:

I have heard the portafilter can get beat up pretty bad removing the spouts (I don't yet have a second PF)

Posted October 23, 2013 link

The spouts on mine were a bear to get off.  Eventually I put the spout into a vice and then used the handle to get enough torque.  Just be careful and put a towel or some of that sticky stuff that you use to line drawers or put under slippy rugs to keep the portafilter itself shiny.
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