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Posted Sat Aug 21, 2004, 3:51pm
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el_cabong Said:

Well, I said I wouldn't do it to one of my La Marzocco portafilters, but I just couldn't help myself. I decided that I liked murkycoffee's approach so much, that I took my LM to a metal fabrication shop. I had work done at this shop before, so I knew they would do a great job. The modification turned out better than I could have hoped for, and the result in the cup is wonderful.  It cost me $30, money well spent!

I am no espresso expert, so I will say that I think the espresso is better, and I enjoy using this new naked portafilter.

Thanks to everyone at Zoka and murky for sharing their ideas and results.

Joel

Posted August 21, 2004 link

Yeah, I'm liking Nick's mod better too - a bit more thermal mass around the basket, and something that worries me with the LM portafilter - I worry now about "snapping" the handle off when tightening or loosening the portafilter in the machine - so Nick's version seems to give more strength to the modified portafilter - the curve of the metal keeps most of the handle's tensile (right word?) strength.

I'm getting two of my three handles modded on Monday - one the Alistair way, one the Nick Way. Big props again to a) Zoka boys for tossing the idea out there in public, b) Alistair for showing the way visually and c) Nick for finding a better way to cut :). If anyone indeed did fool around with this years ago, shame for shame for not making it public sooner lol! This is a true revelation.

BTW, Sammy Piccolo was just over here (he literally just left about five mins ago). We plowed through about three lbs of coffee. We found we could coax more crema out of even three week old coffee using this method, but also we found that, side by side, things be loooooookin' good and tasting good. Tried PFs three ways - with spout, with spout removed, and naked. Naked won every time both on visuals and taste, even double blind.

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Posted Sat Aug 21, 2004, 4:31pm
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MarkPrince Said:

I worry now about "snapping" the handle off when tightening or loosening the portafilter in the machine

Posted August 21, 2004 link

I thought about this as well. I think the bigger risk is breaking off the handle knocking the puck out, but I think Nick's design is plenty sturdy.

BTW, Sammy Piccolo was just over here (he literally just left about five mins ago). We plowed through about three lbs of coffee. We found we could coax more crema out of even three week old coffee using this method, but also we found that, side by side, things be loooooookin' good and tasting good. Tried PFs three ways - with spout, with spout removed, and naked. Naked won every time both on visuals and taste, even double blind.


In a word, WOW. I've really been thinking that I may just be imagining the improvement (more body, sweeter taste), especially given my limited experience, but if you and Sammy can prove it in a double blind, I'm not imagining things. Aparently at least one other blind test came up with similar results....(from the SCAA barista forum) "Also, all of my very unscientific blind tastings with staff have proven the decontruction well worth the trouble. the naked wins every time."

This is really exciting, though that may be this afternoons three delicious doubles talking!

Thanks for your analysis on this. I am awaiting more results with bated breath.

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Posted Sat Aug 21, 2004, 5:05pm
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By the way Mark, I don't know it will help you to know this, but the guy at the metal fab shop bored out the hole exactly 2 inches wide. He originally bored it 1 7/8 inches but we noticed that the perforations in the basket were not centered so 2 inches allowed for this potential variation in the basket.

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Posted Sat Aug 21, 2004, 10:39pm
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teehee... I couldn't resist.... (I am a little gadget freak)
It looks cool and it doesn't mess up the espresso so that work for me...
so like I said I couldn't resist...

Terry has already entered the fray but I had to email him to see when and IF we could get our grubby hands on a new espresso part....hehehe
I tested the waters to see if Terry would do the hacking for me b4 he shipped me the portafilter and it looks like I may be in luck....

Lucky me b/c I don't have access to a mill to hack off my pf @ work....

NOTE: this is just a new toy for those who like new toys to experiment with or a change of pace...etc....

nevertheless I gotta get one just to try it...

www.espressoparts.com here I come...

espresso is such a fun hobby because it is constantly evolving... thanks Mark for creating this site... (that is my brain thanking you.... my pocket book curses you)

 
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Posted Sat Aug 21, 2004, 11:44pm
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Here's a question:

Does anyone know if I could fit a LaMarzocco triple basket into or through my Isomac (E61) portafilter if I cut the bottom off first?  Now THAT would be useful!!

 
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Posted Sun Aug 22, 2004, 3:42pm
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I think I want...no, need...no have to have one....I wish this site would go away...ignorance is truly bliss...

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Posted Sun Aug 22, 2004, 8:29pm
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MarkPrince Said:

BTW, Sammy Piccolo was just over here (he literally just left about five mins ago). We plowed through about three lbs of coffee...

Mark

Posted August 21, 2004 link

Hey Mark, so when you say you ploughed through 3lbs of coffee, what actually happens to it?  I mean, you guys take a sip then throw?  Always seems like a heck of a lot of coffee.   I'm lucky to get through 250g/week on my own, though that is 100% consumption.  

Anyhow, all these mods look amazingly fun.  I'm not quite sure I could do that to a portafilter though :|

yann *who is eagerly awaiting his new epoca to be delivered*
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Posted Mon Aug 23, 2004, 6:38am
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Crazy question. . .  When I get paid in a couple of days I'm going to order one of these babies.  I currently use the double spout PF that came with my Giotto.  How will using the Triple basket that comes with the naked PF change things?  Obviously it requires more grounds to fill up that triple than my current PF.  Will I still be aiming to pull the same size shots though (1.75-2 oz.)?  Is there a greater risk of choking my machine?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if I pull the same size shot, but use a triple basket, it should taste even better??  Could this be???  Thanks in advance!

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Posted Mon Aug 23, 2004, 8:08am
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"Espronography" is definately the right word.  Thank's mark for the pictures, they're awesmone!  Now I have another thing to spout off about to all my coffee-clueless friends...  I hope to beabl to experiment with one of these soon.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 23, 2004, 8:34am
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bottomless portafilter certainly fits the bill.  For those who don't want the hassle of tracking down a machinist, Terry and his crew will modify your portafilter to bottomless.SWEET... Terry rocks for picking up on this so quickly....  (evolution of this industry seems to just be happening so fast...this is still like my first year or so knowing what good coffee/espresso is)

I am going to pick up mine... like I said it is the "cGEEK" in me that makes me HAVE to have this....
I think I will probably get a new Portafilter as opposed to sending one of my xtra PF's....

whoever gets them first give first impressions "we all wait with baited breath" to see how this works for the everyman/woman....

Thanks Dan for finding the link
and
Thanks Terry and gang for responding to a need....

(all props AGAIN go to Mark for putting this site together)

 
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