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raisin
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Posted Sun May 4, 2008, 9:09pm
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coming to a store near you...

http://www.baratza.com//products.php?itemid=31

(in august!)
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Posted Tue May 6, 2008, 5:46am
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Can you tell me what "dual cam grind adjustment" is?

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Posted Tue May 6, 2008, 7:17am
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Mark Prince himself does a fairly full-featured exposť on the grinder, as shown at the SCAA.  Your Question Has Been Answered.

 
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Posted Tue May 6, 2008, 8:53am
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OK - someone's got to ask-   What is "not cheap" from the review?

list price please.
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Posted Tue May 6, 2008, 10:11am
Subject: Re: Fresh Meat! The new Baratza Vario...
 

GC7 Said:

OK - someone's got to ask-   What is "not cheap" from the review?

list price please.

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The price is probably the last thing they decide, although I'm sure they have a range.  I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't meant to be a cheaper alternative to the Mazzer Mini, and maybe an equivalent to the Rancilio Rocky-- about the only thing the existing Virtuoso can't do is espresso grinds, so that should be the next step up.  Indeed, the pictures indicate espresso settings and also show a fineness control (the "coarse -- fine" lever on the left) for a given step setting.

Current Mini prices are about $550, and rising because of the deflating dollar.  Rocky prices are around $300.  So I will guess the price range to be between $300 and $500, though I doubt they'll go too high.  They have to prove their reputation before anyone will consider them equivalent to the Mazzers.

My only concern is that they might be putting too much fanciness into the device.  Digital settings?  Lots of electronic buttons?  Options like these can be fragile and break easily.  Drop it and you have a $500 brick... although that would also possibly throw the burrs out of alignment, too.

 
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Posted Tue May 6, 2008, 10:24am
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svyerkgeniiy Said:

Digital settings?  Lots of electronic buttons?  Options like these can be fragile and break easily.  Drop it and you have a $500 brick... although that would also possibly throw the burrs out of alignment, too.

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Not to mention a rock fragment/piece that would destroy the expensive ceramic burrs also! {:-(

 
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Posted Tue May 6, 2008, 7:11pm
Subject: Re: Fresh Meat! The new Baratza Vario...
 

I think they might end up pushing this as a conveinence item, with low noise and pushbutton control. I think it's the burr's that will end up interesting us.
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Posted Wed May 7, 2008, 1:43am
Subject: Re: Fresh Meat! The new Baratza Vario...
 

Price is set, and mainly set by Mahlkonig and Melitta, two partners in the design of this (and the people who want it for Europe). Basically, they don't want it cheaper in the US than it is in Europe.

The Euro price will be 299, and the N. American price will be $450 MSRP, possibly (but not 100% sure) $399 lowest price.

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Posted Wed May 7, 2008, 1:46am
Subject: Re: Fresh Meat! The new Baratza Vario...
 

CraigA Said:

Not to mention a rock fragment/piece that would destroy the expensive ceramic burrs also! {:-(

Posted May 6, 2008 link

Ceramic burrs aren't like ceramic cups. They're pretty tough and durable. Rocks won't be a problem - the ceramics will probably crush them up. But I believe the grinder utilises some sort of rock sensor / stall system. I will ask followups about this though.

Did I mention this thing is belt drive and QUIET?

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Posted Wed May 7, 2008, 5:28am
Subject: Re: Fresh Meat! The new Baratza Vario...
 

Mark et al who've seen this in person,
Where would you personally place this in the usual line up of grinders?  Is it looking like a Macap/Mazzer Mini alternative, or a step between Rocky and those?

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