Jmanespresso Senior Member Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 2,108 Location: Westchester NY Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Alex Duetto II Grinder: Compak K10 - Vario Vac Pot: Yama-SY5/SY8/TCA5 Drip: V60, Beehouse, CCD Roaster: Hottop B
Posted Tue Feb 3, 2009, 12:27am Subject: Re: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
Alright, no God shot out of the turkish mill. That I can live with. good shots? Finer then is needed, but able to dial back to the grind that IS the correct grind for the Gaggia I'll own? (anything from the new baby on up) Consistent grind? Thats whats important to me. To be honest, my taste for coffee and my skill set as a barista is at the level where I wouldnt need the top of the line commercial quality grind of the mazzer line grinders. I probably wouldnt even notice if the grind dial needed to be moved two cm over on a more humid day.
I want a grinder that is capable for the machine I want. Thats it really. Espresso is a hobby of mine, and if it does grow into a full blown passion, then one day I will need the adjustability of a commercial grinder. But from what Ive read on the reviews of the Turkish mill, and based on them, I dont see why I wouldnt be content with that grinder. Based on them it seems it will grind finer then what Ill need. But then again, that is why Im here.
Thank you very much for your input.
I think I re-typed this post probably 6 times. This grinder choice is more involved then any other decision Ive ever had to make. You are helping me a great deal.
Thank you. Jeff
BTW-I checked out that blog, very nice, it was a nice break from this dang "post a reply" page.
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tasseloff Senior Member Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 229 Location: Sherbrooke, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Tue Feb 3, 2009, 12:07pm Subject: Re: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
I was in the same situation. Searching for a decent hand-grinder, and looking at a new zass which goes for about 100$cad. Reviews have been quite varying concerning them lately. So finally I checked out Orphans and went with them. I am definitely not regretting it. I think between buying a new zass which is a 50/50% chance of getting a good one for espresso and buying a used but refurbished one from Orphans, but which has been tested and graded for espresso...you're safer with the second choice.
However, I also got myself a cheap Kym grinder for $20CAD (about 15 USD!) and it also works pretty good. It is definitely not as consistent in grinding as the PeDe from Orphans, but still works ok.
So....pick your choice ;)
I will try to post some pics and videos maybe of my grinder in the following days.
Posted Wed Feb 4, 2009, 4:45pm Subject: Re: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
I've got one of the new Zass knee mills and love it. I have no idea what problems others are having with their new mills, or if it's just what they're reading before they ever try the mill out. Do you want a hand mill, or do you want an antique hand mill? I'd buy a mill from Orphans in a second if I didn't already own a Zass. Long repeated story short...I bought my Zass to use with my Brikka moka pots a couple years ago. Not being happy with the "espresso" (yeah, I bought into the whole "it's got creama so it's espresso" hype) I was getting from my Brikka's I found an unused Livia 90 on craigslist. The $800 I paid for the Livia blew my grinder budget so I used my Zass, since I had been led to believe that they were capable of grinding espresso with the best of them. And it did great! I mean it took some adjusting at first, but I was pulling decent shots grinding with the Zass. The problem, is that "Good espresso is hard to make. If it wasn't, then Starbucks could do it..." (I love that line...lol). Beans vary by batch...and by days since roasting. Pulling good shots means making adjustments to your grind. With my stepless Macap, I can get dialed in with only one sink shot if any at all. Fine adjustment using a hand mill is a pain in the backside. Grinding espresso by hand is entirely different than grinding for a french press by hand. It's work! Believe me! If you need to grind two sink shots to get dialed in for a decent pull...that's 3 shots for 1 good one. It takes all of the enjoyment out of the process. Unless you believe in having to work for your espresso...I did it for a short time myself. Whether you buy a Zass or another make quality hand mill, I believe you're going to see similar results. You just need to understand both the capabilities and the limitations of working to grind espresso by hand. It can be rewarding and frustrating at the same time. My suggestion if you want to make espresso...save your money and get a quality electric grinder. My Zass only gets used for my Chemex pour-over these days.
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