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Jmanespresso
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 5:41am
Subject: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
 

...Then I have a question for ya!!

Im about to make a purchase from sweetmarias for a Zass manual mill.  Most likely going to go with the knee mill, the 156.  It will be primarily for espresso, I have a cuisinart grinder that I got for christmas a few years back that Ill use for french press, but 90% if not more of my coffee habit is espresso.

Im wondering this. Right now Im using a delonghi machine, ec140b, Im not crazy about it, but for the 50 I got it for, its not so bad.  Lattes and cappas are passable, better then charbucks and DD, and taking off the PPF and going bottomless has helped a bit.  But soon I will be upgrading my machine(hopefully very soon, latest will be tax return day, so tops two months) to a gaggia baby.  Possibly the Baby class or baby twin.  I was looking at the espresso dose, but now I want something a little better.  The new baby is the least I will buy.  Followed by the Class and the twin, depending on wallet size and sales at WLL and such.  

Ok, knowing the machine Im using, and what I will be using, the Zass knee mill...  Capable for the gaggias?  I'm sure itll be fine for the delonghi, but will I be able to get a grind that is able to choke the gaggias I mentioned?  Money is somewhat tight, so manual is what Im lookin at, I dont mind grinding the beans myself, so thats not an issue.  Shot quality, fineness, consistency.  From what Ive heard im assuming it will be plenty capable for the gaggia, even if I go with the baby twin or classic even.  *But since Im about to buy, I needed to make myself feel better by asking the coffee gurus.  I know a SJ or a mini or even a rocky would be more effiencent, but effeicency is not my concern.  Quality and consistency of grinds and shots is.

Thanks ahead of time!!
Jeff

 
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Coffee makes your constantly overcome your prejudices and re-evaluate your own "received wisdoms" when it comes to judging cup flavors. -Tom Owen, SweetMarias
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al_bongo
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 9:30am
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Try doing a search on here and on Home-Barista. Many people have opinions on these mills, not all good.

I have a newer Zass knee miill. The grind consistency for Aeropress and filter is very poor. I have not used it for espresso I have an Iberital MC2 aka Nemox Lux for espresso.
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 11:51am
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http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/grinders/405199

click here Check out this thread from earlier this week
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Jmanespresso
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 3:54pm
Subject: Re: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
 

I know, I was kind of worried about posting this because of my other thread, but I didnt really get a definitive answer on the newer zassenhaus mills.  So, Im sorry if posting this was somewhat redundant.  I like this site a lot, and I dont wanna be 'that' guy

Basically.. Is anyone using a new zass mill for espresso?  Like the 156?

 
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 4:33pm
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You are not going to get the "definitive answer" you seek on here. That would be somewhat beyond the scope of even this forum.

I do not know what Sweet Maria's returns policy is. Can you buy one and return it if it is not suitable? That's the only sure way I can think of  which would let you know if the Zass Knee Mill is right for you.
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Jmanespresso
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 5:44pm
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^^^ While buying and possibly returning is not my favorite, nor is it anyones... I most likely will do that.  Sweet marias sells a few models, definatly not all of them.  Below the grinders there are some FAQ's and it is stated in there that the grinders they have are capable for espresso.(It seems they use one for espresso, because of the comment on having it for three years used with burrs touching and not having any wear)

In my searching, here and the entire internet, it seems the knee mills are going to be fine for what Ill be using it for.  My Father and I are the coffee drinkers, so if the grinder is incapable, he'll know that "having to deal" wont be an option.  He'll probably want to return it before I will If its not good.  But like i said, from what I saw on HB and searching here and other sites, people who have the knee mills like them for espresso.  Ive seem them called the "santiago" model, and its the same as the 156(as far as I can tell)  BTW-Im going for the knee mill because Ive heard holding it between your legs makes it easier.  I like all the models sweet marias has, and based on the comments on the website, Id probably get any model.  Just thought Id let ya know :)

One thing is for sure, If the grinder is not capable for espresso, It will make one fancy paper weight!   80 plus shipping isnt bad when your looking at grinders in the 500-800 range.(which I do want, just don't have the $)

I think Ill be happy with it.  Ill probably be ordering sometime next week, so when it does arrive, Ill be sure to post as extensive of a review as I can, with pictures if I can find the camera.

Also, I agree maybe a straight definitive answer of "yes, the 156 will grind for this specific machine" is impossible in any way shape or form.  Everything is different.  Every bean is different.  So I do apoligize for that.  Also, My other thread, I was skeptical of this one, and again would like to apoligize if this thread seemed redundant.  Again, I like this community, its much more friendly, and way more knowledgeable then any of the other forums I belong to.  My apologies for being the NOOB. Its humbling when you've loved and brewed coffee for over a decade by yourself, to find out in a month that you've been using a grinder that is a joke and the coffee is undrinkable compared to the level produced by the members here. It does give one something to strive for, and already, my coffee experience has improved more then I thought was possible, So, fellow geeks, Thank you so very much for that!  I never like *$ and now I know why!!

Ok, enough suckin up on my part, time for a double shot.  Hmm.. Klatch belle espresso sounds good...

Thanks again geeks!  Ill keep updated on the Zass Knee mill.
Jeff

 
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Coffee makes your constantly overcome your prejudices and re-evaluate your own "received wisdoms" when it comes to judging cup flavors. -Tom Owen, SweetMarias
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jliedeka
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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 9:22pm
Subject: Re: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
 

I have a ton of experience with a Zass Turkish mill.  I use it as a travel grinder and used to take it to work a lot.  It's adequate for drip but I wouldn't expect a G-d shot with an espresso machine.  The larger mills have bigger burrs and may offer a more consistent grind.  However, if you want to brew decent espresso, don't dick around, get a Rocky or better.

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Posted Sun Feb 1, 2009, 11:01pm
Subject: Re: If you own a Zass, or have experience with them...
 

Your best option for a hand grinder that is guaranteed to grind consistently and fine enough for espresso is to get a used and lovingly restored and/or cleaned one from Orphan Espresso. They sold quite a few over the holidays so right now they don't have any available. Typically throughout the year they've got Zass, PeDe, KYM, and random other grinders that they test and certify for espresso. Check it out; you may prefer this route. New Zasses? It seems some grind fine enough for espresso and some do not; reported performance varies and you've got to actually buy one to find out.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 2, 2009, 8:24pm
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I can't agree with him more - I actually bought a mill from sweet marias. But, the grinder took a while to get here. 48 hours to place the order and 7 days UPS ground... Maine isn't a great location for most coffee related shipments. Anyway, a few days after I ordered it, orphan espresso pumped out a couple more hand grinders from their bench and I bought the bullet and got one. Returned the Zass to SM unused, per their return policy. I felt bad about returning it, but I really didn't have much confidence in the quality - not SM's fault of course. I had ordered 5 or 6 #s of coffee with it, so it wasn't a lost cause. The return went smoothly, and I couldn't speak more highly of the entire transaction. Summary - be patient and stalk the orphan espresso website, I havent seen 3 or 4 days go by the last month without them posting a new espresso grinder. Just my advice. Its acutally cheaper than a new zass, and its guaranteed to grind, and grind well.
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Posted Mon Feb 2, 2009, 9:52pm
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Get an older grinder from Orphan. Only way to go. Way better build than new ones. Check my blog on handmills post(link below)
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