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bigtrumpet
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Posted Wed Feb 9, 2011, 8:12am
Subject: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

Hi,

Has anyone tried this pretty new grinder? How would you compare it with others in same $300 to $450 price range, say, Vario or Rocky?


JT
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Posted Wed Feb 9, 2011, 9:08am
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I almost pre-ordered the Preciso for my first grinder, as it seemed like a decent "poor-man's Vario" at the time. But then I found a refurb'd Vario for 50 bucks more and didn't look back. Reading the very helpful Orphan Espresso review, though, seems to confirm that I would have been just as well off with the Preciso as the Vario.
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Posted Wed Feb 9, 2011, 11:58am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Precisio
 

I too have looked at this grinder very closely and it may be my next grinder. There are only 2 real reviews out there, one is by Orphan Espresso and the other is located on Baratza's website. The one on Baratza's website is a comparison of all their grinders by a 3rd party...as you can expect the Vario is the clear winner, the Precisio a close 2nd, followed by the Virtuoso, then the Maestro...so they followed the price point in order...but it does mention that the Precisio is a very capable espresso grinder now that the micro adjustments have been added and the press and drip grinds are on par, if not better than the Vario's. They upgraded the burr as I'm sure you've read and it has more effect on the course side of the grind, but but from everything I've read it grinds as well, if not better than the current class of $300 conical burr espresso only, stepless grinders from LeLit, Nemox, Vanellis, et all.

I'm very close to pulling the trigger on this grinder, but like you I don't want to be the first one to buy it. I was going to get the Vanellis Mini Pro 3 for almost the same money but something tells me the Precisio is going to be the better grinder based on the success of the Vario. Seems to me they have nailed the flat burr espresso grinder and now they are setting focus on the conical burr to compete with the LeLit, Nemox, Vanellis, etc...but that's just my 2 cents.
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bigtrumpet
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Posted Thu Feb 10, 2011, 12:59am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

Last part of Orphan Espresso's review, this VP looks very promising.

This new grinder , we predict, will be getting some pretty high marks for press, drip,  vac pot,  AND espresso.   The new burr, the speed, the uniformity of grind, ease of use and cleaning, AND the price all make this a VERY good grinder.

I would love to hear more as an espresso grinder,  especially when compared with the ceramic burr Vario.

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bigtrumpet
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Posted Fri Feb 11, 2011, 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

Hi,

Just found another comparison review with Virtuoso here.

Right now , it seems very clear that VP is top of the list using 40 mm conical burrs.

btw it has even more microsteps than Vario ( >400 vs 230 ) too

JT
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sadams
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Posted Sat Feb 12, 2011, 9:02pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

I bought one a couple months ago when the new burrs came out and have been completely happy with it.  It was part of a BIG upgrade from my old blade grinder and Sbux Barista.  I decided to take a chance and I was lucky.  With the micro adjustment there are at least 15 clicks I use in the narrow range for espresso.  I have been roasting my own so I am usually roaming around the dial with fresh beans.  Across the whole range there must be about 200 clicks between the the finest and the coarsest settings (20 big clicks with 10 more between each).  Admittedly I am pretty new to being geeked out but it seems to be perfect for me with my $1600 set up.  I like its size and hefty weight and had no desire for a 2 foot tall grinder.  I don't like the portafilter holder attachment and use the static free cup instead.  I measure the beans and dump in enough for a double and don't worry about the almost nonexistent dust.  I like the fact that the adjustments are manual instead of the Vario's  electronics.  The thought of a needing better grinder hasn't even crossed my mind...  

Steve
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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 4:55am
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

Hey,

Question for steve: does the preciso you picked up only have 20 coarse adjustment settings? I wonder if they changed it now because the one i picked up yesterday has 40, as well as the 11 fine settings.. hmmmm...

In any case, like steve said its definitely very sturdy and grinds for a double shot in seconds.  I personally used the portafilter holder for my first few shots with it last night, but can see myself getting annoyed with it soon and just using the cup.

-Gianmarco
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sadams
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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 8:14pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

Yes, you are right, the numbers go to 40 for the course settings with 11 in between each and I can't imagine needing more.  I grind into the static free cup and then shake and pour into the basket using a cut down yogurt cup as a funnel, stir and tamp and get great results...

Steve
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Posted Fri Feb 25, 2011, 12:36pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

I also own a Preciso and am very happy with it. I would also like to add that although it has 11 marked micro-settings you can always set the slide in between steps. So far mine seems to maintain it's grind consistency even between the steps. Therefore, for all intents and purposes Preciso is pretty much a stepless grinder. Not that 440 steps aren't enough already.
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Posted Wed Mar 9, 2011, 1:42pm
Subject: Re: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso
 

Mine just arrived yesterday.  I've been using Starbucks Barista cheapo grinder, so it may not be a good comparison, but the result has been awesome!  I'm using it to make espresso/latte using LeLit PL041QE. In the first run, I made it too fine (6-7) and couldn't get a drip out, but after adjusting to about 9-10, I am getting great results.  My wife definitely notices the difference.  The only issue is that I am trying to use it doserless and it spills the grind all over the place... Ordered canning funnel today!
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