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Posted Mon Feb 21, 2011, 5:59pm
Subject: virtuoso preciso vs rancilio rocky
 

hey all,

i am new to the espresso game and still learning, so hopefully someone can help me with a little advice.

i found a great deal on a gaggia classic which i will likely be picking up soon. i have a kitchenaid proline grinder that i dont really like, and i know i'll need to upgrade to get some decent espresso results. i've been looking at both the baratza virtuoso preciso and the rancilio rocky.

i know the rocky is more established and has been around longer, while not many own the preciso yet so there are fewer people that can comment with firsthand experience. my guess is that most will say to go with the rocky for espresso, but i need a grinder that can do a wide range of grind size. i drink french press and drip coffee more often than i drink espresso, so i need to be able to do this. I've read that the rocky doesn't really get coarse enough for good press coffee - is this true? the preciso advertisements seem to suggest that they've put extra attention into the coarse side of the spectrum so that it can do excellent press. anyone have any experience with this?

thanks so much,
matt
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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 4:48am
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Hey matt,

The gaggia classic will easily become a machine you love, especially if you got a good deal on it.  Its one of those that just works.  My old one heated up very quickly and worked well until the boiler went.. 15 years later! Now on to your question..

I just picked up a Baratza Virtuoso Preciso yesterday, and I have to say I absolutely love it.  While i have not tried grinding for french press, I can tell you it will definitely grind for Turkish (if you're into that).  I'll give french press a try later on today and let you know.  But im sure you wouldnt be disappointed by it - its a very well built machine.  I love how quickly and evenly it grinds also, giving excellent consistency.  And although its not stepless, it does have 440 settings so im sure you can find one that works well.

Be sure to check some product videos and reviews out there to get a better idea of how it works.

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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 10:19am
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gmarrese91 Said:

Hey matt,

The gaggia classic will easily become a machine you love, especially if you got a good deal on it.

Posted February 23, 2011 link

Here is one at Best Buys.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 2:34pm
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Not bad.  I'd say keep your eye on ebay / craigslist also, as they always have crazy deals.  I snagged a New (store model) Gaggia Pure for $82 shipped.  Great deals are able to be found every once in a while
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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 2:51pm
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Thanks, i picked up a used Classic for $150 the other night. Looks to be in good condition and used very sparingly according to the seller. I think I'm going to take it apart to make sure its not scaled, but it seems to be in fine condition though. One thing: the steam wand seems fairly loose and wiggly. The nut is screwed on tightly, so is this just how the wand is?

I'll pick up a preciso today and get my new toy going! Thanks for the advice guys.

-Matt
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Posted Wed Feb 23, 2011, 3:15pm
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Very cool, hope you enjoy it!  Let us know how your shots come out
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Posted Thu Feb 24, 2011, 10:53am
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If a range of grind settings is what you're going for, the Preciso is definitely the way to go. The Rocky can get coarse, but it's not really designed to adjust easily between settings as broad as espresso to french press. The Preciso will be your best bet for easily repeatable, high quality grinds for any brew method. Let us know how it goes!
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Posted Thu Feb 24, 2011, 11:14am
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clivecoffee Said:

If a range of grind settings is what you're going for, the Preciso is definitely the way to go.

Posted February 24, 2011 link

Agreed.

The Rocky can get coarse, but it's not really designed to adjust easily between settings as broad as espresso to french press.


Sure it is Mark!, what's so hard about it? It's mainly an espresso grinder first, but I used my Rocky for 9 years for French press too. Push down the indexing lock arm & hold, & for me adjust upward/larger from say an 11 to number 28 & release the arm to lock & takes a second or two., couldn't be simpler..

The Preciso will be your best bet for easily repeatable, high quality grinds for any brew method.

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Posted Sun Feb 27, 2011, 10:54am
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How did you narrow your search to the Preciso and the Rocky? Neither is a particular bargain or "the pick of the litter", in my opinion. The Preciso is an upgraded, and expensive, Virtuoso. The Rocky is an older design that is overpriced compared to its competition. If you are looking for a bargain, several other grinders offer better results for the money (many discussion threads on CG). If you are looking for performance, add a few dollars and look at a Vario or one of the small Mazzers.
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Posted Tue Mar 22, 2011, 4:13pm
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I see your point about the adjustability of grind settings on the Rocky. Our Rocky, when it's calibrated for espresso in the 5-12 range (or so) doesn't get coarse enough for french press until you crank it up to about 40. At that point the inconsistency of the grind particle size is...considerable. Also, adjusting the Rocky back from there down to the espresso range requires about 20g of coffee on your countertop and three hands to make the switch while the grinder is running.

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