Posted Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:55am Subject: Higher end grinders - Why So Large?
I have a Baratza Preciso grinder. I Enjoy it quite a bit.
Should I choose to upgrade at some point, it seem like most (all?) upgrades are much larger machines? Are there no high end machines at or below the size of the Preciso?
The only purpose the bean hopper serves on my Preciso is to funnel the beans into the grinder. I store my beans in an AirScape container and then weigh the beans pre-grind. I can't imagine trying to fit a SuperJolly-like grinder onto my counter.
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Posted Tue Mar 13, 2012, 1:03pm Subject: Re: Higher end grinders - Why So Large?
I think they have to be a bit larger to fit a bigger motor to turn larger burrs and last forever in a coffee shop. But I hope one day, they will make something like the Pharos hand grinder with a motor.
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Metatron Senior Member Joined: 10 Nov 2011 Posts: 46 Location: Calgary, Canada Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Tue Mar 13, 2012, 9:53pm Subject: Re: Higher end grinders - Why So Large?
CoffeeGroo Said:
I have a Baratza Preciso grinder. I Enjoy it quite a bit.
Should I choose to upgrade at some point, it seem like most (all?) upgrades are much larger machines? Are there no high end machines at or below the size of the Preciso?
The only purpose the bean hopper serves on my Preciso is to funnel the beans into the grinder. I store my beans in an AirScape container and then weigh the beans pre-grind. I can't imagine trying to fit a SuperJolly-like grinder onto my counter.
I have the same problem. The only compact higher end grinder I can find is the Mahlkonig Pro M which is pretty small but I would really like a small Compak K10 Fresh so I can have large conical burrs.
Posted Wed Mar 14, 2012, 1:28pm Subject: Re: Higher end grinders - Why So Large?
CoffeeGroo Said:
I have a Baratza Preciso grinder. I Enjoy it quite a bit.
Should I choose to upgrade at some point, it seem like most (all?) upgrades are much larger machines? Are there no high end machines at or below the size of the Preciso?
The only purpose the bean hopper serves on my Preciso is to funnel the beans into the grinder. I store my beans in an AirScape container and then weigh the beans pre-grind. I can't imagine trying to fit a SuperJolly-like grinder onto my counter.
Overheating in a busy cafe setting is the enemy of the commercial grinder, hence the large heavy duty motors that spin at lower speed and drive larger burrs.
Larger burrs + lower speed = Low heat and fast grind times. +- 3 sec per 22g.
Even with all the high end internals, some cafes were still able to outpace the first Robur and cause it to overheat, so Mazzer introduced a new fan cooled model.
It just so happens that the grinders that produce the best taste in the cafe also do so in the home, but they weren't ever designed with the home kitchen in mind.
Posted Wed Mar 14, 2012, 3:58pm Subject: Re: Higher end grinders - Why So Large?
For reasonably i.e. home sized grinder I don't think there is anything much better than Mahlkonig ProM Espresso. Grind quality is at titan level and its shockingly forgiving (maybe even more so than Compak K-10) and no fuss to use...
adan0327 Senior Member Joined: 6 Sep 2011 Posts: 45 Location: Toronto Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Wed Mar 14, 2012, 6:35pm Subject: Re: Higher end grinders - Why So Large?
If you pull shot by shot A super Jolly should fit if you do a small hopper mod. My cupboard is close to my super Jolly but I used a plastic ikea cup that I cut with a hole saw to act as a hopper. Its the perfect fit and I have been using it for 1 year. Bigger grinders tend to grind faster than smaller grinders. It takes my grinder around 6 seconds to dose out 18g. Here's a youtube vid of mine to give you an idea of what you can do to make it work. For me the super Jolly is built like a tank. Even through the preciso grinds efficiently to me it feels still feels like a toy. Definitely worth the jump IMO. It really is a lifetime investment.
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