russel Senior Member Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 409 Location: Los Angeles Expertise: Pro Roaster
Espresso: 73' Cremina, Eurobar,... Grinder: Super Caimanos x2, Forte BG,... Drip: V60, Kalita Wave, Clever
Posted Wed Jan 9, 2013, 8:27pm Subject: Re: Give Me Your short list of Robour Equals
You need to really look into what goes into using a large commercial grinder in a home environment. Your Mini is tiny by comparison and has a relatively small amount of retention in the chute/chamber. A Robur or a Kony are very large and retain more than a full dose of grounds in the chute/chamber. Big grinders are also effected by the quantity of beans in the hopper, often with grind consistency suffering at low hopper volumes or in accurate timing on timed doserless grinders. The Robur is not just a $2000 version of a Mini or SJ than can be dropped in place and instantly upgrade your espresso to championship quality.
I think that the HB comparison highlights the fact that a lot of the "performance" of the Robur does not occur in the chamber or translate directly into the cup.
ECM Senior Member Joined: 11 Oct 2003 Posts: 455 Location: Burlington, Ontario Canada Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: Giotto Premium + Cantesa... Grinder: Mazzer Robour E Vac Pot: French Press Drip: yes Roaster: Fresh Roast+8, i-roast and...
Posted Mon Jan 14, 2013, 6:24pm Subject: My Mazzer Robour E Has Arrived!!!!
I just thought I would share my good newsÖ..
My new Mazzer Robour E arrived today!!!!!
It took me 1.5 pounds to finally get the grind and docing time set up. Iím sure it wasnít necessary for me to plow through that much coffee but this beast will take some getting use to.
When dialing in my old mini the moment you made a grind adjustment that change would be immediately perceptible from the first shot that was pulled. Well with the Robour when you make a grind adjustment you have to run at least one double through it before you dispense the old grinds from the burs. Consequently, I ended up chasing my tail for awhile before I realized this.
The tasteÖ. Oh my god the taste!
I am using my own home roasted Malibar Gold and when I took the first sip there was an explosion of fruit flavor I havenít ever experienced before. The notes were very crisp and alive in the mouth and the aftertaste on the pallet was divine. Now I understand why so many prefer a large conical like the Robour. The shot was a tad sour; probably a result of the light roasting style I use. I found that with the mini I had to keep the roasts on the light side to pick up on the origen of the bean. Iím going to try some darker roasts. I suspect that the Robour is able to tweak out any slight under roasting and highlight this inadaquecy. I think if I take it just a bit more into second crack it will taste even betterÖ. Or so I hope.
The other noticeable difference with this grinder was the sheer amount of crema in the cup. The entire shot was total crema!!! I am not exaggerating what so ever. Right from the top to the bottom of the cup was filled with this thick ďcling to wallĒ beautiful crema. Oh my God Iíve died and gone to heaven.
If you donít mind I have some quick questions:
Has Mazzer changed the way they paint these grinders? My old Mini was the gray version. It had this shiny quality to the finish as if they sprayed it with some sort of protective coating. I noticed that my new black Robour has a mat finish. Has Mazzer gotten away from the protective coating and opted for a cheaper product or is it just as durable as the old style of paint?
Can someone explain what the thumb screw on the top of the adjusting collar is for? Someone suggested that itís a braking mechanism to lock down the collar to prevent someone from tightening the burs to the point of touching one another. Someone else said it was to simply prevent your grind from drifting. Can someone clarify this and explain what itís for? I didnít have this on my mini and I can not find anything in the manual that explains it.
In the box I also received a double headed aluminum convex tamper along with a stainless steel tamping stand of high quality. Are these items something that Mazzer is including with the Robour or is this something that the vender added for value? Either way Iím delighted. I was thinking about getting a convex tamper... now I donít have to.
Boy Iím totally blown away by this black beauty! It towers over my Giotto like a prehistoric monolith. My only regret is that I kept the mini for the past 9 years. Iím not complaining mind you. The mini served me well but the difference in the cup is nothing short of amazing.
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