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Posted Fri Jan 11, 2013, 8:49pm
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Rob, when you cleaned the grinder, I assume that underneath the bottom burr was totally clean.
Did you hear the upper burr "snap" into place. Mine is usually a 2 snap proposition.
I'm thinking the upper burr may not be seated properly.
Interesting you say "spray" around the grinder. Before I got my Vario W, I had a regular (USA Baratza) Vario, with which I dosed directly into my PF. No spray, and my baskets are only 49mm.
HMMM...by any chance are the burrs of your grinder METALLIC, rather than the ceramic burr set?

 
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Posted Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:28pm
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IMAWriter Said:

We just like to encourage members to seek out a solution with the manufacturer/vendor BEFORE venting publicly.

Posted January 11, 2013 link

Thanks for the gentle nudge toward civility.

IMAWriter Said:

I'm sure all will be resolved as quickly as possible. it sounds like perhaps your purchase coincided with the extended holiday season?
If so, things are probably less crazy now, and you should get the prompt attention you deserve, and what Baratza has demonstrated in the past.
Keep us posted.

Posted January 11, 2013 link

Order was placed the week after Thanksgiving.  They may have been employing temporary, inexperienced help or just trying to keep up.

As everyone has said, Baratza stepped up to the plate and hit a homer in my book. They comisserated with my situation and offered to replace the defective refurb with a brand new Vario. I can't think of a more gracious resolution and one that will alleviate any fear of further issues with this or another refurb unit.  Way to go Baratza.  Can't wait for it to arrive!

Thanks again for the guidance everyone. This is a most worthwhile and enjoyable community.

Tom...
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Posted Fri Jan 11, 2013, 11:45pm
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ethom Said:

Thanks for the gentle nudge toward civility.

Order was placed the week after Thanksgiving.  They may have been employing temporary, inexperienced help or just trying to keep up.

As everyone has said, Baratza stepped up to the plate and hit a homer in my book. They comisserated with my situation and offered to replace the defective refurb with a brand new Vario. I can't think of a more gracious resolution and one that will alleviate any fear of further issues with this or another refurb unit.  Way to go Baratza.  Can't wait for it to arrive!

Thanks again for the guidance everyone. This is a most worthwhile and enjoyable community.

Tom...

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Tom, you hit a homer in MY ballpark. I learn something here and elsewhere every day, even at my somewhat advanced age. (Pay no attention to the Avatar, I JOINED CG using that pix! :>D

Keep us posted on the new grinder, and if this thread is too daunting (copious pages), feel free to PM me, or just post here. Repeat questions are part of the gig, no worries.

The manual will answer many questions. I'm sure you know, but I'll repeat here that it is always best to run the grinder when adjusting FINER, when there are beans in  the hopper.

 
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Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 5:43am
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I am trying to clean the burrs on my Vario-W. I rotate the metal burr carrier, but, cannot life the grinder housing. Any suggestions?
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Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:14am
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You need to get Baratza's upper burr tool that makes lifting out the upper burr a breeze.

 
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Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:29am
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IMAWriter Said:

You need to get Baratza's upper burr tool that makes lifting out the upper burr a breeze.

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Is that is different from the tool that comes with the machine to rotate the burr carrier? if so, where do I get it?
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Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:50am
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IMAWriter Said:

The manual will answer many questions. I'm sure you know, but I'll repeat here that it is always best to run the grinder when adjusting FINER, when there are beans in the hopper.

Posted January 11, 2013 link

Yes, I've read the warnings to adjust toward finer only with the machine running.  It does take some getting used to and is a good reminder.  

I was weighing each dose before grinding, leaving the hopper and burrs empty between each use.  That practice seemed to make it easier to remember to adjust while running for some reason.  The plan was to weigh doses until I got comfortable with dosage based on time.  Part of what made the Vario attractive was its low grounds retention.  

It's ironic then, that some large percentage of grounds was actually staying inside the machine body because of the missing internal chute.  Looking at the inside, first grounds must have almost all stayed inside and only after a good mound formed on top of the outlet plate did they start falling out through the ½ inch opening.  Of course, there was the spray blasted straight from the burrs and some of that surely made its way out too.   After seeing what’s been happening inside, I now understand why the portafilter fork turned out to be useless for me.  The grounds spray across the counter was huge!  But I’ve been counseled from the community that “coffee is messy business” and settled for the grounds bin.

I must admit that I tasted, and even drank, shots from the grounds residue emptied from the body interior.  Surely being quite stale, it tasted better than I expected and gave me some more shot pulling practice.  I’ve pulled two doubles and still have at least another double’s worth.  The rest I’ll leave inside for the Baratza team to examine.

I'm anxious to see how the new Vario works.  Dosage will have to be recalibrated but it'll be fun.
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Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 1:40pm
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LOL, Tom. I've heard of "desperation coffee"...aka Charbies at the airport, but you've gone where no man has gone before, I'd wager. :>D
CraigA is prolly the hippest here as regards the internals of all things Baratza, and perhaps the Behmor 1600 as well.He spotted the issue. Even with good eyes, I prolly would have missed it anyway.

 
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Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 8:47pm
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Hi -

I have a Vario that my wife and I have been using happily for 6 months for espresso. It adjust well in the espresso range (e.g., from gusher to choker), with a typical setting at around 3P. I did not calibrate it initially. The calibration screw seemed very tight - the tool was flexing, and I didn't want to break anything and since it was making good coffee it didn't seem necessary.

I got one of the new Espro French presses for Christmas. When I tried to adjust for it, even with both levers all the way at coarse, the coffee is barely coarser than espresso grind (it's visually indistinguishable). If anyone wants to know if you can choke an Espro, you can :-)

Any ideas? (I have have a similar request in to Baratza CS, but I imagine they are swamped from Christmas still).

Cheers,
Brian
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Drip: Brazen, Kalita, Chemex,...
Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Sat Jan 12, 2013, 9:56pm
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Yes.
You will need to first clean the grinder. Remove the lower burr as well, making sure there is no grinds directly underneath. Replace both burrs, making sure not to over tighten the 3 screws on the lower burr.
Make sure the upper burr snaps in audibly.
Move both levers up and down, just to make sure they work smoothly.
Reattach the hopper.

Now grab your 2mm supplied adjustment tool, and perform the calibration. remember to START the motor, both levers MUST be down to their lowest position.

Truly, on average, your espresso sweet spot should start 1 Macro step down, the Micro lever somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 up from the bottom.

 
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