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tinytot2
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 5:15pm
Subject: Clumping
 

I bought a Breville Smart Grinder last month and the grinds can clump badly.  Does this happen on the Vario grinder?  I was going to return the Breville and get the Vario instead.

And would I want the Vario or Vario W?
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 11:28pm
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

tinytot2 Said:

I bought a Breville Smart Grinder last month and the grinds can clump badly.  Does this happen on the Vario grinder?  I was going to return the Breville and get the Vario instead.

And would I want the Vario or Vario W?

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As much as i love my Baratza Vario W (and my previous Vario_ and Preciso I'd ask you couple of questions.
Do you have high humidity, or oily beans? Those 2 things can cause clumping.
Are the beans freshly roasted within 2 weeks?
Have you tried the WDT (Weiss Distribution Technique)?
Google it if you're not conversant with it.

That said, MOST here would tell you that the Vario does an excellent job of espresso grinding, as well as the coarser grinds.
If you're looking to go as inexpensively as possible for a Vario, go for the regular Vario. It grinds by timer, and does a great job.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 6:48am
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

I know that clumping can be bothersome, but it's not really an issue, because usually those clumps easily dissolve upon distribution (WDT can be helpful) and/or tamping without causing further extraction problems. With some grinders clumping even gets less after running through a few pounds of beans.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 8:16am
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

NobbyR Said:

I know that clumping can be bothersome, but it's not really an issue, because usually those clumps easily dissolve upon distribution (WDT can be helpful) and/or tamping without causing further extraction problems. With some grinders the clumping even gets less after running through a few pounds of beans.

Posted February 20, 2013 link

Lately I've been grinding into a small jar, then use the WDT, and then scoop that into the portafilter.  Do I need to grind directly into the portafilter this to work?  Maybe I should do the cut-up-yogurt-funnel thing.


IMAWriter Said:

As much as i love my Baratza Vario W (and my previous Vario_ and Preciso I'd ask you couple of questions.
Do you have high humidity, or oily beans? Those 2 things can cause clumping.
Are the beans freshly roasted within 2 weeks?
Have you tried the WDT (Weiss Distribution Technique)?
Google it if you're not conversant with it.

That said, MOST here would tell you that the Vario does an excellent job of espresso grinding, as well as the coarser grinds.
If you're looking to go as inexpensively as possible for a Vario, go for the regular Vario. It grinds by timer, and does a great job.

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Humidity is low right now (Wisconsin).  I'm using Red Bird decaf so definitely fresh.  I freeze whole beans in small amounts, thaw, then grind.
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 8:46am
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

I have the regular vario and I would not say that it clumps (at least not so it affects the shot). Sure, you will see a little soft clump that breaks up when you touch it every so often. However, i have never noticed bad results with those. You just want to avoid the harder ones.

I already had a small AWS scale before I got the vario so I didn't think the W version was needed. I also felt that it works best for people that don't single dose (i wouldn't recommend a full hopper but maybe a third would be fine depending on your use with the W).
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 9:03am
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

tinytot2 Said:

Do I need to grind directly into the portafilter this to work?  Maybe I should do the cut-up-yogurt-funnel thing.

Posted February 20, 2013 link

You don't have to, but you certainly can. Using a funnel in combination with the WDT works very well for me. If you don't want to cut plastic yoghurt cups, you'll find aluminium funnels like this one from Orphan Espresso or the one from Tidaka as well.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:07pm
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

For me, it all depends on the beans I use. Sometimes I get a few clumps, other times it never ends up an issue. I gently shake the the grinds bucket on the Vario-W after grinding before sifting the grinds into my PF, using a funnel (a plastic party cup we cut up). I don't use the WDT, but nutate when I tamp to make sure the coffee seals against the flat walls of my VST basket.
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 2:58pm
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

Kind of like above.
I dose straight into the basket, I don't have many, if any clumps nor do I WDT either, just groom the grounds evenly in the stock Pf basket and tamp then pull. Works for me.

 
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:57am
Subject: Re: Clumping
 

I agree that clumps dissolve easily with tamping alone. Hence I said

NobbyR Said:

distribution (WDT can be helpful) and/or tamping

Posted February 20, 2013 link

I still found that my extraction improves, when I use the WDT. YMMV, of course.

 
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