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Ashley83
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:24am
Subject: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

Ok so I currently have an izzo vivi espresso machine which is great, which I use with a mazzer mini. I find the grind quality fairly good, sometimes a little clumping, but what really bugs me is the doser on the front. And the fact that if I weigh 19 grams of beans I only get about 17.5g back sometimes, then on the next shot it might be 20.5g for example. Is it worth me upgrading to a mazzer mini e, vario w, or even looking out for the more expensive on demand grinders on eBay? I would also love the functionality of just pressing a button to dispense 19 grams, rather than having to weigh them each time.
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 1:02am
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

Ashley83 Said:

... I would also love the functionality of just pressing a button to dispense 19 grams, rather than having to weigh them each time.

Posted February 24, 2013 link

In that case the Mahlkönig Vario W might be your best choice, because its built-in scale offers to grind by weight with an accuracy of about 0.2 gramm. The only drawback is that you cannot grind direcly into the filter basket but must use its original bin, because the scale is calibrated that way.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 6:05am
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

I am pretty tempted by the vario w, would you say that the grind quality is as good or better than the mazzer mini?
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 6:45am
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

Or you could just add a timer to the grinder and grind by time. Remove any finger guard and use a small tool such as a chop stick to clean the chute between the grind chamber and the doser then dose all the coffee from the doser to the PF basket. It is very consistent and is what I did for years with a SJ. YMMV!

 
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 7:20am
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

calblacksmith Said:

Or you could just add a timer to the grinder and grind by time.

Posted February 25, 2013 link

Wayne, do you think a timer would be as accurate as grinding by weight? In my personal experience, the built-in timer of my Eureka doesn't even come close to being precise by 0.2 gramm, especially when you have to adjust coarseness setting. I still have to weigh my dose.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 6:51am
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

I ran my SJs that way and it was just fine, I did not notice any difference in the cup but perhaps, I just have a dull mouth!\

I don't think there was much of a variation though, after I set the grind time, It would only be checked against a scale if I had a large change in grind adjustment. For day to day use, I did not bother to weigh each dose. I did have the small mini hopper on the grinder and kept it about 1/3 full or more for constant pressure of beans and I did clean the chute between each grind, with a plastic chopstick, (they last longer than wood).

 
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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:03am
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

Likewise i run my Major on a digital dark room timer, love it, and it is at least as accurate the W. It takes up more space on the counter but not enough to motivate me to cut a smaller one into the side of my Major.

To the OP regardless of control mech I would skip the Jolly or Vario and go to a Major or K-30 or Koney or Robur or K-10 blah blah blah.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

is the Mahlkönig Vario W the same as bartza vario w?
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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 2:25pm
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

pcof Said:

is the Mahlkönig Vario W the same as bartza vario w?

Posted February 26, 2013 link

I believe one is just the european version of the other.
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Posted Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:59pm
Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade? Mazzer madness
 

pcof Said:

is the Mahlkönig Vario W the same as bartza vario w?

Posted February 26, 2013 link

The Baratza Vario and Vario-W uses burrs made by Mahlkönig.  Within the EU, the grinders are sold under the Mahlkönig brand name.

Baratza:  Baratza Vario grinder

Mahlkönig:  Mahlkönig VARIO Home

(Note: not to be confused with the Mahlkönig K30 Vario)

 
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